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2015-11-25
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The delays to the tablet were not software related at all. If they hadn't spent any time improving the OS, then they still would have run out of money before the tablet shipped. In fact, without the indication of return on investment that their work on the OS was producing, their investors would have pulled out last December instead.
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2015-11-25
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
Did you read what I wrote? Never mind, my point was that even start up must consider budgets and adjust.
Seems like you intentionally disregard or refuse to understand the overall situation of startup company, which is that they are dependent on new financing rounds as long as there is no sufficient income to cover the costs. To get such income they need to develop something to sell (Sailfish OS) AND have some way to demonstrate it is a feasible product for others to use (spearhead devices like phone and tablet, even if they do not generate profits by themselves). It's not an issue of ignoring the other costs but reality that hit this time bit harder than before.
The other way could have been to just use tablets as demonstration devices for manufacturers and not to sell it anywhere. Of course we would be moaning about not getting them on that case too...
To give you an example and it could be a real case for all we know. The single Jolla investers have same point as me. Expecting something and got something else for his money and Now have questions.
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2015-11-25
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@ Moon! It's not the East or the West side... it's the Dark Side
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While we are waiting for News...
If Jolla came up with a second Indiegogo campaign right now, Jolla Phone ll, 499 Euro.
Would you consider to join?
Or transfer your Jolla tablet payment to a gift to Jolla and skip the tablet to help Jolla?
Last edited by Dave999; 2015-11-25 at 19:02.
If Jolla came up with a second Indiegogo campaign right now, Jolla Phone ll, 499 Euro.
Would you consider to join?
Or transfer your Jolla tablet payment to a gift to Jolla and skip the tablet to help Jolla?
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I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
Do something for the climate today! Anything!
I don't trust poeple without a Nokia n900...
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Shut up and take my money!
If Jolla came up with a second Indiegogo campaign right now, Jolla Phone ll, 499 Euro.
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Originally Posted by Dave999
If they completed their next funding round, then definitely, without hesitation. I wish they'd made a €500 phone to start with. I think if they'd known the cheap one would fail so hard they would have.
While we are waiting for News...
If Jolla came up with a second Indiegogo campaign right now, Jolla Phone ll, 499 Euro.
Would you consider to join?
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Budget is done on presumption, which is adjusted if something happens that makes the presumption false. This is exactly what Jolla has done, as the presumption has been that financing round C is completed in time. It didn't happen, but it could not have been known when budget for 2015 was made. As the the company is currently completely dependent on external financing, all they can do is to push forward as much as they can when they have money to have something to show to investors when the time comes to ask for more, until there are enough customers to finance the operations.
Did you read what I wrote? Never mind, my point was that even start up must consider budgets and adjust.
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by billranton
True however a 500 Euro phone is not what it used to be. Before it was high end, nowadays is midrange...tops. Add to that Jollas limited numbers limits the specs even more. But yeah, some more Memory and better screen would be nice.
If they completed their next funding round, then definitely, without hesitation. I wish they'd made a €500 phone to start with. I think if they'd known the cheap one would fail so hard they would have.
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
They are not idiots, it is just the 5 Stages of Loss and Grief:
So many IDIOT comments on the blog post. People is sooo damn stupid idiots
However I doubt Jolla can fix it. Sorry too say that but...
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance
Most are still in the Denial phase ("They will get financing in December and we will get our tablets."), some in the Anger phase.
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by Dave999
You're right. I reckon a good target price would be whatever the price of an iPhone is right now. I'd expect a HW keyboard too.
True however a 500 Euro phone is not what it used to be. Before it was high end, nowadays is midrange...tops. Add to that Jollas limited numbers limits the specs even more. But yeah, some more Memory and better screen would be nice.
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2015-11-25
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Originally Posted by IlkkaP
Acceptance would be my phase. At the time of my backing, it was a statement more of that I support their ideals, their engineers and hopefully I'd have a choice of a device that was not iOS, Android, Microsoft or spying on me and closer aligned to my wants/needs of being more open than closed off or just convenient without other benefits.
Most are still in the Denial phase ("They will get financing in December and we will get our tablets."), some in the Anger phase.
Simply stated, my backing will now be seen as a donation until otherwise proven differently. It does not hurt my pocket as much as it would removing that option in a device. And knowing that a good group of people are out of work at this moment doesn't sit well with me either.
I wish Jolla luck.
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