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2009-11-25 , 03:12
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So Safari is quite obviously somewhat faster at redrawing pages. This isn't really unexpected.

If you expected that MicroB would run circles around Safari, despite the higher resolution, despite using the Firefox / Gecko engine, despite offering support for Flash, and despite Apple's years of experience on fine-tuning the browser for exactly this kind of device and user-experience, then this was an unfortunate misunderstanding. Speed is not the selling point of MicroB, capability is. The fact that it is as fast and usable as it is is the remarkable thing.

What matters is that the browser is convenient to use and gets you as close as possible to the desktop browser experience. Both Safari and MicroB have some things going for them in this regard. But this kind of analysis and direct comparison of rendering speed is ultimately pedantry, and if you truly think that this is what matters most to the average user, then I believe that you will be in for a surprise.
 

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2009-11-25 , 03:18
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Will the N900 fully utilize the speed advantage of a Class 6 Micro SDHC card? If not, which class should I get?
 
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2009-11-25 , 03:24
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OH.MY.GOD.

I was so looking forward to getting the N900 for cool features like this elegant way of multitasking, being able to tag and upload multiple pictures, great messaging possibilities, awesome screen resolution, TV-out, panoramic desktop & widgets, flash support......

But now that I have seen those videos about how bad the browser is.... It seems unusable!!

Sure on my iPhone there is also a delay when I scroll fast, but on the N900 there were some at least 3.3 times longer!! What a piece of crap! And ok I admit on my 3GS the mail app crashed a few times and some other apps - some even constantly - and it's a tad annoying not having the landscape keyboard in every application, and I sure miss multitasking at times or even wish it had a better camera or just a few more settings for it, I'd also love to have a decent calendar & desktop widget on it like my N79 had... - BUT PAGE SCROLL IS SMOOTH! And that's like... you know... where the game is played!
 

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2009-11-25 , 03:26
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Originally Posted by rundumel View Post
OH.MY.GOD.

I was so looking forward to getting the N900 for cool features like this elegant way of multitasking, being able to tag and upload multiple pictures, great messaging possibilities, awesome screen resolution, TV-out, panoramic desktop & widgets, flash support......

But now that I have seen those videos about how bad the browser is.... It seems unusable!!

Sure on my iPhone there is also a delay when I scroll fast, but on the N900 there were some at least 3.3 times longer!! What a piece of crap! And ok I admit on my 3GS the mail app crashed a few times and some other apps - some even constantly - and it's a tad annoying not having the landscape keyboard in every application, and I sure miss multitasking at times or even wish it had a better camera or just a few more settings for it, I'd also love to have a decent calendar & desktop widget on it like my N79 had... - BUT PAGE SCROLL IS SMOOTH! And that's like... you know... where the game is played!
God forbid you view one the the other dozens of videos which show the browser performing smoothly - or read the reviews (including engadgets, a site notoriously Nokia hating) who say that the browser is the best they have ever seen. No much better to watch a couple of videos from a guy who hasnt even bothered to TRY and fix his issue, even when other people with the device have said they have NO issues like his at all.

Yep thats the way to go
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Originally Posted by lschumanfcoe View Post
Why does reading this thread make me feel as if I'm listening to a manic-depressive?
Hey, I suffer from bipolar disorder, aka manic depression, and I'm not this crazy. (...am I? )This dude has multiple personality disorder. Big difference.
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy View Post
As a geek I will definitely enjoy the phone...but for normal people this will fall waaaaaay short, especially when you can go get an iphone for 200$ that can actually scroll smoothly.
Well let's look at that closely. Get an iPhone for a faux ~$200 or the N900 FREE ON CONTRACT? Not everyone is given subsidized iPhones, but in most markets, the N900 is cheaper than the iPhone unsubsidized or on contract. Check the UK for proof. Only in America...
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
It's not a [smart]phone yet. It's just a tablet with basic phone capability added.
What definition of smartphone is everyone using to make these claims? Some say it isn't because it doesn't support autorotation, but neither did the N73 or 6600. They say because it doesn't have call and end buttons, but neither does the iPhone. They say because it lacks this or that, it isn't. I totally disagree. I don't think all smartphones are portable desktop devices, but all portable desktop devices with calling features are smartphones. They are multitasking computing platforms with cellular telephony capabilities and native application frameworks. Many of the features it lacks that people claim make it not a smartphone postdate the arrival of smartphones. So please get off the gas...
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2009-11-25 , 03:55
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Originally Posted by Bratag View Post
God forbid you view one the the other dozens of videos which show the browser performing smoothly - or read the reviews (including engadgets, a site notoriously Nokia hating) who say that the browser is the best they have ever seen. No much better to watch a couple of videos from a guy who hasnt even bothered to TRY and fix his issue, even when other people with the device have said they have NO issues like his at all.

Yep thats the way to go
Ya gotta admit though, the lag is clearly present in his videos. I'd be a bit miffed too if I received mine in the same condition. Sure, I'd still hold out for updates to fix it and I would still be optimistic of its potential, but my out of the box experience would still get knocked down a notch or two. No reason not to expect better than at least S60 web browsing in Nokia's highly-touted, multi-tasking, desktop web browsing, mobile computer. Of course Nokia does have a knack for shipping buggy phones upon initial release (and releasing better firmware fixes for some regions only... what's up with that?). I can't say I have much confidence in Nokia's software side of things. Clearly, even with essentially identical hardware, Apple does a bang up job of coding the browser rendering.

I'll continue to try to keep my expectations in check and hope I don't receive a phone with similar issues. However, that's no excuse for Nokia to be shipping out some phones that do.
 
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Originally Posted by Bratag View Post
God forbid you view one the the other dozens of videos which show the browser performing smoothly - or read the reviews (including engadgets, a site notoriously Nokia hating) who say that the browser is the best they have ever seen. No much better to watch a couple of videos from a guy who hasnt even bothered to TRY and fix his issue, even when other people with the device have said they have NO issues like his at all.

Yep thats the way to go
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2009-11-25 , 03:57
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Originally Posted by rundumel View Post
OH.MY.GOD.

I was so looking forward to getting the N900 for cool features like this elegant way of multitasking, being able to tag and upload multiple pictures, great messaging possibilities, awesome screen resolution, TV-out, panoramic desktop & widgets, flash support......

But now that I have seen those videos about how bad the browser is.... It seems unusable!!

Sure on my iPhone there is also a delay when I scroll fast, but on the N900 there were some at least 3.3 times longer!! What a piece of crap! And ok I admit on my 3GS the mail app crashed a few times and some other apps - some even constantly - and it's a tad annoying not having the landscape keyboard in every application, and I sure miss multitasking at times or even wish it had a better camera or just a few more settings for it, I'd also love to have a decent calendar & desktop widget on it like my N79 had... - BUT PAGE SCROLL IS SMOOTH! And that's like... you know... where the game is played!
No it is not.

Comparing a computer running many things to a computer optimised to do one thing at a time is silly. Im not sure what the jerky scrolling is caused-by, but remember that the screen is twice the resolution of iphone. Pretending that you can define "the game" for the rest of the planet is amusing, at best.

In the real world there are tradeoffs. When we grow up we see this more frequently and say "OMG" less often.
 

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