Originally Posted by pasitron

I think Nokia made a mistake with the N900. The phone functionality should have been a lot better, people expect a 600 € device with phone functionality to actually work well as a phone. And please stop repeating the "it's not a phone, it's a mobile computer" mantra; the N900 has a phone part, so it IS a phone, too, and should be usable as such. Also, I don't think the device will gain all the missing abilities in future firmware updates, development efforts are probably already directed at Harmattan and the next Maemo device.

Originally Posted by ossipena

nope.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

what is the title of the page?
"Nokia N900 mobile computer"

Originally Posted by BatPenguin

Not again, this is so pointless. The same issue has been debated a million times. How about this:

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n95

"What computers have become". So the N95 is not a phone either?

Originally Posted by BatPenguin

Please, everybody, drop this thing already. When they added the phone features, it stopped being a tablet and became a phone. This "it's not a phone" stuff is only discussed here, to the rest of the world, this is a phone just as much as any other modern smartphone. Deal with it. People coming here expect it to be a phone and Nokia is not selling any differently than their other smartphones. None of them are called "phones" in Nokia speak. Technically, all cell phones are mobile computers, always have been. The fact that this one runs Linux makes very little difference to most people.

There's the Maemo greeters program here. How about leaving these threads to the greeters so they can treat people posting about their disappointment with respect instead of dismissing their concerns and claiming they are stupid for thinking it's a phone? Stop the RTFM attitude already, these forums have really gone down the sewers lately.

Originally Posted by ossipena

n95 is a smartphone when using nokias own definitions...

Originally Posted by BatPenguin

Is it? Link to that, please. I'm quite sure the N95 is a "mobile computer" according to Nokia definitions.

Originally Posted by BatPenguin

Not again, this is so pointless. The same issue has been debated a million times. How about this:

http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n95

"What computers have become". So the N95 is not a phone either?

Please, everybody, drop this thing already. When they added the phone features, it stopped being a tablet and became a phone. This "it's not a phone" stuff is only discussed here, to the rest of the world, this is a phone just as much as any other modern smartphone. Deal with it. People coming here expect it to be a phone and Nokia is not selling any differently than their other smartphones. None of them are called "phones" in Nokia speak. Technically, all cell phones are mobile computers, always have been. The fact that this one runs Linux makes very little difference to most people.

There's the Maemo greeters program here. How about leaving these threads to the greeters so they can treat people posting about their disappointment with respect instead of dismissing their concerns and claiming they are stupid for thinking it's a phone? Stop the RTFM attitude already, these forums have really gone down the sewers lately.

Originally Posted by ossipena

it seems to be multimedia computer

Originally Posted by BatPenguin

Alright, a multimedia computer. There you go.

The point is, debating whether the N900 is phone or not is silly, pointing out whatever terms the Nokia pages use makes no difference, none of the new Nokia "phones" are officially phones, yet everybody calls them phones and Nokia is generally regarded as the world's leading phone-maker, not "a quite large multimedia computer maker". The N900 is just as much a phone as the N95. This issue should not come up in all of these threads.

My RTFM comment referred to the attitude of "you should've known better" that comes up in all similar threads. I'm tired of it.