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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by vi_
No. But I seriously wonder why the community device program awarded you a device, since nobody wants to update the wiki or provide minutes. You speak in a very condescending manner to anyone that you don't agree with. I sure wouldn't have voted for you.
Wtf. Are you high?
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2012-06-22
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Only have a few minutes, so I'm replying to what I can:
Originally Posted by ZogG
I've already cited the meeting minutes where this was discussed. It was also stated in the TMO thread on this topic
Can you please show me where it was discussed if council members should participate in award as well
Originally Posted by Dousan
It was, on many occasions. Both on TMO, in IRC, and in council meetings.
So was this talked about after you decieded to not submit yourself woody on the grounds as you stated 'conflict of interest'
Originally Posted by qwazix
I agree on both points. To clarify, the reason I felt exempt from that was because I have just started in my role as Council, and this was for past contributions.
I understand the concept of conflict of interest but I believe the above statement in boldface to be true.
About the harmattan camp nonsense, (no offence, but it's nonsense) it only hurts this community, and it makes me sad as a maemo user, not a specific-version-of-maemo user.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by vi_
I don't think you deserve any award. For past activity, but more important, your award submission. It was repulsive. You're the resident smart aleck - good job.
Are you implying that I am undeserving of a community award?
I've reported two people in two years for harmful behavior on this forum. You are one of them (although I will say your behavior did improve smartly once the award program began
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness
No. But I seriously wonder why the community device program awarded you a device, since nobody wants to update the wiki or provide minutes. You speak in a very condescending manner to anyone that you don't agree with. I sure wouldn't have voted for you.
Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness
...but I guess you know better and he doesn't need it.
Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness
Actually I add bits to the wiki here and there when I can.
I should just believe everything you say, right?
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by vi_
AND THAT'S MORE USEFUL THAN INCEPTION HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!
Actually I add bits to the wiki here and there when I can.
Maybe I'm blind, but come on how is that possible.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by marxian
I disagree to some extent. My decision was partially based on conflict of interest, in that I did not merit an award and knew if I applied that my current position could have been cause (eg a "pity" vote).
Woody made the right decision not to participate on the grounds of a conflict of interest. The others should have done the same.
Most on the Council have been very active community members in their own rights, both on Council and off. To say they could not apply because they volunteered to take on one of the hardest jobs you can take for this community would be wrong.
Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck
False. The rules and questions about this were in the TMO forum well before Council elections occurred. For example, this is part of a thread that started in April, dated May 5th. I'll note to you that elections for Council happened May 17th through the 23rd.
What occurred was a little-publicized adjustment of the rules that allowed you to claim the awards for yourselves. This adjustment didn't occur until after submissions started,
This was not something put in after Council was in place, but was actively discussed before the event.
Originally Posted by itsnotabigtruck
And you know this how? Telepathic abilities? Spy drones? I note again, if it was *just me* voting, there would be only 3 differences. Are you so sure that e-yes, or yourself, would have been in that 3?
Numerous other individuals hadn't received devices either - individuals who have made substantial actual contributions. Those individuals, such as e-yes, weren't awarded anything, because the council preferred to dispense the awards to itself.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by woody14619
Damn well we are, you know as well as the rest of everyone else that e-yes and itsnotabigtruck are well deserving of Community Awards.
Are you so sure that e-yes, or yourself, would have been in that 3?
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2012-06-22
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#219
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A satisfactory compromise from my point of view would be if the council members in question would agree to return the devices to the council if they ever leave their posts.
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2012-06-22
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Originally Posted by geneven
Just like Nokia loaned out the original N950's?
A satisfactory compromise from my point of view would be if the council members in question would agree to return the devices to the council if they ever leave their posts.
Come on, let's be honest, no council before was given awards and this council didn't deserve them either.
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@Everybody: There was a conflict of interest. Reading the submission list I was certain that all council members who nominated themselves will receive a device. I even tried to make a prediction for the results in a spreadsheet marking those I thought would get a devce in a blink and all the submitting councilors are in that list. The only reason I didn't object even though I saw it, was that they were the only ones in the list who had a democratic right for it. They have been chosen, exactly because of their past deeds by the community to represent it
I can argue forever for any other person in that list that he should, or not, receive a CA. But not for the council, as they have the absolute proof. The community votes.
And up to now, in this thread, nobody has claimed that the members of the council are unworthy of a device. All the discussion is a matter of procedure. If we did change the procedure and we do agree that council members deserve a device for their deeds, would the actual, tangible result be significantly different? No. The only difference would be that Woody would have gotten a device, and somebody else wouldn't.
So let's stop this discussion now unless someone comes here and points a council member who does not deserve a device by name. And before someone does that, please think what it does mean for the community and the democratic process.
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