You've unwittingly hit the nail on the head. "Just wait until..." The trouble is, that requires treating the Neo as a real product. Not a preorder affair with a limited run, but a something that, when my neighbours, co-workers and peers see me use it, they can go and buy one too.

I see a lot of whinging along the lines of, "people are dummies, they want shinies." The truth is, people just want to buy products. The Neo will not become a product untill it is made for the shelf.

Me too, some people spend every year or every second year 200-300€ for a useless phone. This is not necessary and I call it the facebook syndrome = It is more important how you look to others with the minimum effort than what you really are or what you really have.

The use period for the neo900 is more comparable to the N900 and this is for some people 5 years and they will also go on because there is nothing compareable.

So 700€ is at least over the time a good price for an outstanding peace of hardware and you pay for something that is worse it and for something that you want or make it like you want (software side). It is like a pocket pc.

I think some people who don't want to pay so much don't know what they can buy and how it is produced. And some other maybe have not enough money. So work hard and make your dreams come true.
Especially for me I never bought a new phone or a new computer only second hand except the neo freerunner and hopefuly in the future the neo900 motherboard.

I would also pay more for the Neo900 then it is only a matter from who and when I have all the money together. However I will everytime find a way to finance it because I want it. A good pocket pc/phone is used daily and it is not a toy which is lying around. 365 x 5 = 1825 ... 700/1825 it is 0.38 cent per day when you use it over 5 years. Some people pay more for a coffee per day and a water is more healthy and should be more worth it.

For me it was easy to convince a friend to buy a Neo900 only by telling him what it can do and what it is and he understands what a Neo900 is. There was no discussion of the price, think at mastercard it is priceless in this time to own such a thing.

Sorry for my useless comment sometimes I write what I think.

My Galaxy Nexus is dead (more a battery problem) and seriously, I'M sick of Android (most for Apps like everybody I guess).
Now the N900 is still a good phone but it is quite old. I really want to have/buy a new phone (Blackberry or A good Nokia 1020 winMo) but you almost convinced me to wait for the Neo900. I have many hopes for this device, but I hope that it will be supported for at least the 5 upcoming years. I hope that the team behind this will update us of what has been done so far and when can we expect an out date.
Now for the price, well I did never buy a Phone above 500$ (you imagine I did never had a Iphone lol) but if it really worth it (I use the N900 since the beginning) so if it really worth it (I mean good hardware and great team behind the project to support this PC project with phone capabilities, multi task, multiOS and bla bla bla), I could really spend a lot (Technology and food are the most a spend for without thinking of tomorrow)
Anyway, I'm not the only one to be interested in this project, so You guys, better have not to disappoint us!

Yup totally agree.
It is a wait and see.
Initially when the 1st iphone or droid phone was going to be released ....it was...
"Just you wait .....once it is released....and you'll see..."

Anywho with enticement there are 2 options...
1- stand outside the marketing issue ..taking the higher moral ground..and don't participate...
or...
2- Embrace the hype and use it to mock and bury the competition...use the tools of today to draw the necessary buyers.

Post release hype and marketing to entice and make the device cool and desirable ..ie.

"Look at them!



They got that new neo-what-cha-ma-call-it!



I gotta get me one too!!!"

That..is what will bring the "shiny people"...the coolsters...

Gotta get me some Boats n' Hoes...compliment mah neo!

Peace Out

I don't think I have ever read a comment so true on this forum in the years I've been lurking around.

I currently need a new phone. My n900 isn't able to make calls anymore so I use it as a tablet together with my good old nokia 3410 to make calls. Last weekend I went to the store because I decided I needed a better solution than using 2 devices of which one is simply ancient. But I couldn't do it. I checked every Android device (I don't go near iOS stuff) but I just simply hate them. There is no other word for it. I hate what the market is dishing out to people these days. It's unappealing bling which for some reason keeps getting bigger and in the meantime this diseased ecosystem is also growing and growing serving advertisments in exchange for personal data on the unsuspecting crowd.
I waited years before I upgraded from a nokia 3410 to the n900 because I felt it was the only thing out there that connected with my needs in such a device.
Now my money is on the Neo900 to deliver the same experience. I suspect it will be a cold day in hell when one of the current big companies will ever turn from their chosen path and start making a device that people actually want instead of making crap devices and making people think they want them.

Sorry for my very off-topic rant . Back to work so I will actually be able to afford this really cool device.

Get out of your filter bubbles guys!

The "big players" aren't pushing something to the market that nobody wants except for some weird people who are only interested in bling. Otherwise they wouldn't be the "big players".
They are delivering exactly what the majority wants (partly because they successfully talked them into wanting this - it's called marketing).

WE are the weird guys, the ones choosing a HW keyboard over a slim device, a truly open platform over the biggest appstore, and a ton of sensors over the latest SoC.
WE are the ones not being normal. But as someone once told me, being normal is not a desirable condition, except for unit vectors.

Exactly.
The populace desire what is incrementally and experimentally being fed to them. The more they get a taste ...the more they want.
Yes the n900 and neo aren't mainstream ease-of-use devices with "bling-age" ...
but it really is about the pitch.

Aim at an intellectually privileged few ...and we'll get just that.
AND WE MUST STOP HAM-STRINGING OURSELVES BY SAYING OUR DEVICES ARE FOR AN ELITE FEW WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THEM. Sure there is a learning curve in some cases ...but it is only neurosurgery or rocket science...if the individual desires that much depth and complexity from their device...
Fact is ...saying to the world ..."We stand apart...and most will not "get" where we are coming from...."
Will only succeed in a very wasteful, unproductive, and unnecessary form of self-imposed alienation.
This view and statement is not new...it isn't a privilege only of this community...it is prevalent in the world.
It automatically shuts out, is non-inclusive, does no illumination or education. And personally am not interested in it...it just breeds frustration on both sides of the illusory fence.

Aim at vid. bites highlighting security, privacy, flexibility, longevity long term affordability and a whack more "-ity's" and it'll sell to the public.
You tell Joe who works at the factory ...or Phil the waiter ...or Jean who works at the mall...that the neo is a superior device with the customer in mind ...that will...in the long haul...SAVE them money (instead of having little choice but buying a new smartphone every few years through planned obsolescence) ...and yeah...you've sold 'em.
No one....especially lower-income earners want to (or more bluntly ...can afford to) simply throw money out the window all the time...

For example ...when I was younger ..I was alot poorer... and of course I wanted what everyone else had ...what everyone else wanted and what everyone else was being pitched....BUT more than anything... I bought "smart" ...even if...at the time the purchase was more expensive than other alternatives ...I bought with the intent of having a superior product that would have a longer lifespan...the neo is no different.

Pitch it right...pitch it smart and alot of people will be lining up for one.

that's the plan for Neo9001. When we have demonstrated we can do, we demonstrated there is a market, however niche. And we got some working OS, actually even a few ones, some of them targeted at high security for the managers and politically active people (and of course for the average Joe interested in really good security/privacy). We will build a first device in a 3 digit range of batch, costing a total of a significant fraction of a million. Next iteration can go maybe 10 to 30 times that volume, and search for venture capital (or even simple 'classical' crowdfunding) that's willing to invest without trying to tell us how to build and market a "phone".

/j

One word

"Superfandabulous"

When it is time to throw money down for a Neo9001...
Just point me to the sales desk.