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2010-01-22
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I agree, the more I think about how to
- keep the evolving community engaged
- easily provide new capability for the N900 without split development resources
it has to be "n900 supports Maemo 6".
trying to retrofit too much stuff to M5 is expensive.
yet making M6 available for N900 gives quick access to a large team of users who'll be incented & excited to continue developing apps, report bugs on the M6 platform. Many of these issues are unlikely to be HW dependent, so this benefits new devices too
This is what I expect from an open, linux environment -- supporting a variety of HW really shouldn't be hard. maemo is intended to support multiple devices. Support is being ADDED for things like multitouch, but not at the removal of single-touch.
Google (android), Apple (iPhone OS), Microsoft (WinMob) are all doing some amount of upgrading of existing HW with new OS versions. In their case it's purely a push - but it keeps buyin to the platform, and may reduce support issues.
yet maemo not only has this but as I said above an "army" of testers out there helping improve the environment. To not utilise this to me is to say the community isn't valued.
- keep the evolving community engaged
- easily provide new capability for the N900 without split development resources
it has to be "n900 supports Maemo 6".
trying to retrofit too much stuff to M5 is expensive.
yet making M6 available for N900 gives quick access to a large team of users who'll be incented & excited to continue developing apps, report bugs on the M6 platform. Many of these issues are unlikely to be HW dependent, so this benefits new devices too
This is what I expect from an open, linux environment -- supporting a variety of HW really shouldn't be hard. maemo is intended to support multiple devices. Support is being ADDED for things like multitouch, but not at the removal of single-touch.
Google (android), Apple (iPhone OS), Microsoft (WinMob) are all doing some amount of upgrading of existing HW with new OS versions. In their case it's purely a push - but it keeps buyin to the platform, and may reduce support issues.
yet maemo not only has this but as I said above an "army" of testers out there helping improve the environment. To not utilise this to me is to say the community isn't valued.
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2010-01-22
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#223
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Originally Posted by amer19
1++ (from 2010)
Exactly
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2010-01-22
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And yet again, someone requesting the new operating system for their older device.
Look, I want _official_ Harmattan ("M6") support for the N900 as much as everybody else, but: why are you not requesting Fremantle ("M5") support for the N810/N800?
Because the majority no longer cares about the N810. This community has been overrun by N900 owners.
And that's exactly what will happen when the N910 comes. Your N900 will be worthless (for Nokia/rest of the world -- you can of course keep using it, as much as I keep using my N810 for night reading since the N900 still doesn't beat it at that).
Having that in mind, consider if your arguments have really any value. The only valid argument IMHO is "as a good will gesture" which would, of course, be very good.
Last edited by javispedro; 2010-01-22 at 17:28.
Look, I want _official_ Harmattan ("M6") support for the N900 as much as everybody else, but: why are you not requesting Fremantle ("M5") support for the N810/N800?
Because the majority no longer cares about the N810. This community has been overrun by N900 owners.
And that's exactly what will happen when the N910 comes. Your N900 will be worthless (for Nokia/rest of the world -- you can of course keep using it, as much as I keep using my N810 for night reading since the N900 still doesn't beat it at that).
Having that in mind, consider if your arguments have really any value. The only valid argument IMHO is "as a good will gesture" which would, of course, be very good.
Last edited by javispedro; 2010-01-22 at 17:28.
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2010-01-22
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#225
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Originally Posted by javispedro
And yet again, someone requesting the new operating system for their older device.
Look, I want _official_ Harmattan ("M6") support for the N900 as much as everybody else, but: why are you not requesting Fremantle ("M5") support for the N810/N800?
Because the majority no longer cares about the N810. This community has been overrun by N900 owners.
And that's exactly what will happen when the N910 comes. Your N900 will be worthless (for Nokia/rest of the world -- you can of course keep using it, as much as I keep using my N810 for night reading since the N900 still doesn't beat it at that).
Having that in mind, consider if your arguments have really any value. The only valid argument IMHO is "as a good will gesture" which would, of course, be very good.
Actually that is a fair question. In fact how feasible is it to get maemo 5 ported to previous devices?
If we are demanding maemo 6 is back-ported to the n900 then it is only fair to demand maemo 5 to previous Nokia tablets.
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2010-01-22
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Ok, I know I'm a N900 user, so maybe it's a bit skewed, but my opinion is that N800 was a bit of a flop (by comparison). Not a phone, limited usage, 250 GBP (I found references in launch-price GBP).
N900 is much more well rounded device, has the best hardware available, IS a phone and it was 500 GBP at launch.
I'm not trying to be a general poke in the back, but realistically speaking, N900 deserves a bit more attention than previous tablets, especially since it CAN run M6 easily considering it's being developed more or less on it, using the M5 as a base.
Don't get me wrong, if the next N900++ device will be just as the N900 but the screen covers more area, is 1280x720, the keyboard has numbers and so on, a-buying-I-will-go. Maybe Galileo? To soon?
It's not that much of an effort.
Also, frankly, how the UI looks is less of an interest to me. If Nokia asks for another 500GBP this year, the sales are not going to be great because nobody buys a Ferrari that expires next week.
This is already a problem of Nokia's in my view - they keep releasing phones like it's the model count that matters. Always releasing, always abandoning. I know people who long for the 7110. Not everyone wants HD color touch.
The IPhone gets a release per year (June, July, June) and the older versions are not forgotten in the least. They have their issues, but abandonment isn't one of them. I know people with the original version still installing stuff every day.
Just sayin'.
N900 is much more well rounded device, has the best hardware available, IS a phone and it was 500 GBP at launch.
I'm not trying to be a general poke in the back, but realistically speaking, N900 deserves a bit more attention than previous tablets, especially since it CAN run M6 easily considering it's being developed more or less on it, using the M5 as a base.
Don't get me wrong, if the next N900++ device will be just as the N900 but the screen covers more area, is 1280x720, the keyboard has numbers and so on, a-buying-I-will-go. Maybe Galileo? To soon?
It's not that much of an effort.
Also, frankly, how the UI looks is less of an interest to me. If Nokia asks for another 500GBP this year, the sales are not going to be great because nobody buys a Ferrari that expires next week.
This is already a problem of Nokia's in my view - they keep releasing phones like it's the model count that matters. Always releasing, always abandoning. I know people who long for the 7110. Not everyone wants HD color touch.
The IPhone gets a release per year (June, July, June) and the older versions are not forgotten in the least. They have their issues, but abandonment isn't one of them. I know people with the original version still installing stuff every day.
Just sayin'.
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2010-01-22
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The N8X0 didn't get Maemo 5 because Nokia hates you, it didn't because their hardware couldn't run it, specifically the 3D UI.
Now, if Maemo 6 for some reason doesn't run in the N900, perharps a way to solve the problem would be Nokia offering a massive discount on the sale of a new M6 device to N900 owners, for example, you send them your N900 unit and they mail you back a 60% discount voucher for the new device.
Now, if Maemo 6 for some reason doesn't run in the N900, perharps a way to solve the problem would be Nokia offering a massive discount on the sale of a new M6 device to N900 owners, for example, you send them your N900 unit and they mail you back a 60% discount voucher for the new device.
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2010-01-22
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Originally Posted by javispedro
Except that there are probably a lot more N900s out there than there are N800/N810s. Also everyone assumes it will be like that relationship, and not like the relationship between the N800 and N810, which the N800 originally shipped with OS2007 and was later upgradable to OS2008 after the N810 came out.
And yet again, someone requesting the new operating system for their older device.
Look, I want _official_ Harmattan ("M6") support for the N900 as much as everybody else, but: why are you not requesting Fremantle ("M5") support for the N810/N800?
Because the majority no longer cares about the N810. This community has been overrun by N900 owners.
And that's exactly what will happen when the N910 comes. Your N900 will be worthless (for Nokia/rest of the world -- you can of course keep using it, as much as I keep using my N810 for night reading since the N900 still doesn't beat it at that).
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2010-01-22
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Originally Posted by ndi
Ok, I know I'm a N900 user, so maybe it's a bit skewed, but my opinion is that N800 was a bit of a flop (by comparison).
Originally Posted by John Titor's Dad
Ok, I know I'm a <Maemo 6 device> user, so maybe it's a bit skewed, but my opinion is that N900 was a bit of a flop (by comparison). Barely a phone, limited usage, no capacitive multitouch.
<Maemo 6 device> is much more well rounded device, has the best hardware available, IS really a phone and has a real touchscreen.
I'm not trying to be a general poke in the back, but realistically speaking, <Maemo 6 device> deserves a bit more attention than previous devices, especially since it's the first flagship device that runs Maemo.
Just sayin'.
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2010-01-22
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Add in to the mix that the official reason Fremantle doesn't work in the N810 is because of the missing GPU. There's only ONE component in Fremantle using the GPU: the window manager. (The other components can't run because Fremantle is built for ARMv7, but that should be trivial to fix).
Now, the official reason for Harmattan not being available in the N900 is multitouch. Guess how many components and applications are using it? I'd be surprised if not ALL of them have some multitouch gesture.
If any, releasing, maintaining, documenting, and handling the UI differences for an official port of Harmattan for the N900 will be even more difficult for Nokia than releasing an official port of Fremantle for the N810.
Now, the official reason for Harmattan not being available in the N900 is multitouch. Guess how many components and applications are using it? I'd be surprised if not ALL of them have some multitouch gesture.
If any, releasing, maintaining, documenting, and handling the UI differences for an official port of Harmattan for the N900 will be even more difficult for Nokia than releasing an official port of Fremantle for the N810.
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