Originally Posted by cashclientel

Off Topic

You're correct to say that PUSH was a total failure. Did you see any of the results? They were lame and barely covered in the technical press. Apologies for using the word lame.

Originally Posted by Konceptz

Now that's where I think we disagree.

Originally Posted by ysss

I'm not sure I'm getting your message here. What I was pointing out was Nokia's message to the mass of potential customers out there, not to their (potential) developers... because those two channels are usually separated. They rarely cross each other.

Of course the messages to the developers community will always be more technical in nature, they will share more of their mid/long term strategies and sometimes more frank. Usually the message to the customers are more seductive in nature, and they don't tell the whole story.

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Well, to me the lack of a significant firmware update to date shows a lack of commitment to THIS DEVICE that is worrisome given the pattern of releases on previous Maemo devices. Nokia has tended to release a couple minor firmware updates for each device with a significant drop in the level of support once the next device is on the market. Many major, significant bugs get the "Won't Fix" or "Fixed in next version" treatment, with the end result being that no device ever reaches maturity.

I believe this pattern is one of the reasons there has been little large scale or commercial application development for the Maemo platform ---- because it isn't treated as a platform. Each device is a one-off with a limited window of exploitability before the next product cycle.

I really think that Nokia has to stop thinking in terms of individual retail products and start thinking in terms of a platform that is supported over multiple devices over a MUCH longer time horizon. In the desktop application space, I have applications that were created over a decade ago that I still run on a regular basis, despite having upgraded Windows three or four times. I have been able to run three or more versions of Windows on the same underlying hardware, as well. This sort of experience has become a major expectation of users in the Smart-phone space, with Apple releasing significant new OS releases for older hardware, while maintaining application compatibility, with newer hardware simply being faster and having support for additional new hardware features. Android seems to be adopting this as well, with older devices receiving upgrades to newer versions of the OS (1.6-2.1). The expectation for business applications compatibility on Windows is on the order of a DECADE. I don't claim we need that level for a phone, given how rapidly the mobile space is developing, but I would really like to see Maemo/Meego be a stable, consistent environment that doesn't throw its user & developer base under the bus every 1.5 years to implement some new menu transition effects.

Originally Posted by puiradu

I know the reason why PR 1.2 is late. Nokia want to test their customers fidelity. If we pass the test they will reward us with a firmware who has all the symbian features plus all the best that maemo brings. Then the OVI store will fill with a lot of cool applications and games, even NGAGE.
That's why we have to be patient. The problem is that the guys didn't tell us how long the test will be.
Cheers!

Originally Posted by BN900

It has always been my opinion that we are not looking beyond a PR 1.4 (as in two more PRs after 1.2). PR 1.3 will come to fix a few things and add more features, and 1.4 will be the customary update after Meego (probably minor) to make Maemo users feel unabandoned.

Originally Posted by Tomaszd

As a rule I try to stay away from these pointless bickering threads, but here's something you might want to read. It looks as though we have about a month to go.

Originally Posted by Tomaszd

As a rule I try to stay away from these pointless bickering threads, but here's something you might want to read. It looks as though we have about a month to go.