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2011-02-18
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http://www.myriadgroup.com/Device-Ma...2D8CE313E.ashx
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by ericsson
To be fair, it *is* marketed as "Bada OS".
Oh the ignorance is just so thick and slimy. First, Bada is not an OS, it is a platform, more like Qt. Bada can run on several different core OS'es. On the Wave S8500 it runs on OpenBSD. It is not meant for high end, not yet anyway, although the Wave with 1GHz processor and super amoled is not exactly low end. Version 2.0 is coming in June, also for the first Wave. 2.0 will have full multitasking, NFC, HTML5 and so on.
It has sold 5 million last year (since June), and they predict sales of 10 million in the first half of 2011. The most selling Android phone ever, the Galaxy S, "only" sold 10 millions during all 12 months of 2010. I think it is safe to say that Bada is a success, and hell of a lot more so than MeeGo. Bada may very well use the MeeGo core, but why? it seems that OpenBSD is doing fine.
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by LagunaCid
I know. As one of the very few here who actually own a Bada phone, I know. But in context, talking about MeeGo instead of Bada, makes no sense. Bada could very well run om MeeGo, and the Bada OS is OpenBSD.
To be fair, it *is* marketed as "Bada OS".
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2011-02-18
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2011-02-18
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Oh well. Since it won't be released to the end-user and they only address manufacturers and operators, it seems to me that eventhough the application is demo'ed on a N900, it will never be released to the N900.
Nokia, as a manufacturer, will never buy this application. If they rejected Android as their primary OS, why should they buy this app to run Android apps?
Nokia, as a manufacturer, will never buy this application. If they rejected Android as their primary OS, why should they buy this app to run Android apps?
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2011-02-18
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Originally Posted by geojoking
Absolutely agree.
Oh well. Since it won't be released to the end-user and they only address manufacturers and operators, it seems to me that eventhough the application is demo'ed on a N900, it will never be released to the N900.
Nokia, as a manufacturer, will never buy this application. If they rejected Android as their primary OS, why should they buy this app to run Android apps?
Myriad is showing Alien D. on the n900 for a simple reason: it has enough cpu/mem/resources to give a good impression. That's it.
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2011-02-19
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And they probably chose it, to rub it in Nokia's face.
But still, I have to ask something. Is this software concept legal? Meaning, let's take the Adobe Photoshop app they're showing off. Is it legal to "port" an app without the developer's consent? What if Adobe does not want its software to reach all phones? How can a developer control the penetration and revenue stream from an app that can/could be ported to other category/categories of phones etc. ?
I understand that the porting itself is very practical and has many advantages, but I have many reasons to believe it's borderline legal.
Probably this is the main reason why Alien Dalvik won't be released to the end-user. Because we'd be able to install whatever we want and just ... "skip" all the restrictions created or imposed by the developers. Whereas, if sold only to manufacturers and/or operators, they would be able to choose/buy which apps to port. It's all about restrictions. My guess is that Myriad does not have, at the moment, the authority to port just any app they want.
Last edited by geojoking; 2011-02-19 at 00:26.
But still, I have to ask something. Is this software concept legal? Meaning, let's take the Adobe Photoshop app they're showing off. Is it legal to "port" an app without the developer's consent? What if Adobe does not want its software to reach all phones? How can a developer control the penetration and revenue stream from an app that can/could be ported to other category/categories of phones etc. ?
I understand that the porting itself is very practical and has many advantages, but I have many reasons to believe it's borderline legal.
Probably this is the main reason why Alien Dalvik won't be released to the end-user. Because we'd be able to install whatever we want and just ... "skip" all the restrictions created or imposed by the developers. Whereas, if sold only to manufacturers and/or operators, they would be able to choose/buy which apps to port. It's all about restrictions. My guess is that Myriad does not have, at the moment, the authority to port just any app they want.
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by ericsson
OS is more than just the kernel, includes UX.
I know. As one of the very few here who actually own a Bada phone, I know. But in context, talking about MeeGo instead of Bada, makes no sense. Bada could very well run om MeeGo, and the Bada OS is OpenBSD.
I'd look forward Samsung Galaxy II hardware with Meego + Bada also if they have no interest to do Qt-GUI.
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2011-02-19
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Originally Posted by geojoking
Depends on the country, and in some cases, state.
And they probably chose it, to rub it in Nokia's face.
But still, I have to ask something. Is this software concept legal? Meaning, let's take the Adobe Photoshop app they're showing off. Is it legal to "port" an app without the developer's consent? What if Adobe does not want its software to reach all phones? How can a developer control the penetration and revenue stream from an app that can/could be ported to other category/categories of phones etc. ?
I understand that the porting itself is very practical and has many advantages, but I have many reasons to believe it's borderline legal.
Probably this is the main reason why Alien Dalvik won't be released to the end-user. Because we'd be able to install whatever we want and just ... "skip" all the restrictions created or imposed by the developers. Whereas, if sold only to manufacturers and/or operators, they would be able to choose/buy which apps to port. It's all about restrictions. My guess is that Myriad does not have, at the moment, the authority to port just any app they want.
In Canada your right to use (execute) software is derived from copyright law, and not the license that comes with the software.
If you legally acquired Photoshop, I don't believe Adobe would have cause for redress if you executed it under a VM/emulator, regardless of whatever their license stated.
In the US, the DMCA complicates things; they could claim the emulator was a circumvention device to get around their copyright protection.
There's also the issue of patents, despicable as they are.
If this software violates any patents held by Google, they could certainly go after the developers.
Let's hope patent reform comes sooner rather than later on that one.
Last edited by nightfire; 2011-02-20 at 20:13.
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2011-02-19
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I would probably be ok to work on this task (at least, the easy stuff!), but right now, with my 2nd child coming, time is a very rare resource.
Why not try ourselves?
http://source.android.com/porting/build_system.html
http://code.google.com/p/dvk/
http://www.android-x86.org/
We need to understand first where to cut the line between the full android port and what's needed for a decent integration with maemo environment. We do not want the full "desktop/home menu" UI pieces, but I'm do not know the actual Android internals so I can't even tell where to start looking...
My first guess would be to look at the kernel part and "merge" what android needs in term of config (and probably extra code/patches as well) into Titan's kernel. That should be relatively easy.
I think that the harder parts will be the actual hardware integration layer. As we all know, the telephony maemo part is closed, so is the battery controller and other random stuff. Let's just hope that the single-touch screen won't be a total mess to deal with...
What do you think? Anybody really interested in getting rolling? Ideally, we shouldn't rely on your courageous CSSU team for this as their precious time is already more than well spent on fixing/improving native stuff/bugs. This thing is less than assured to workout correctly in the end.
Why not try ourselves?
http://source.android.com/porting/build_system.html
http://code.google.com/p/dvk/
http://www.android-x86.org/
We need to understand first where to cut the line between the full android port and what's needed for a decent integration with maemo environment. We do not want the full "desktop/home menu" UI pieces, but I'm do not know the actual Android internals so I can't even tell where to start looking...
My first guess would be to look at the kernel part and "merge" what android needs in term of config (and probably extra code/patches as well) into Titan's kernel. That should be relatively easy.
I think that the harder parts will be the actual hardware integration layer. As we all know, the telephony maemo part is closed, so is the battery controller and other random stuff. Let's just hope that the single-touch screen won't be a total mess to deal with...
What do you think? Anybody really interested in getting rolling? Ideally, we shouldn't rely on your courageous CSSU team for this as their precious time is already more than well spent on fixing/improving native stuff/bugs. This thing is less than assured to workout correctly in the end.
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