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2011-03-03 , 04:53
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Not really...the "restrictions" in the various BSD licenses are pretty much just author acknowledgement. So really the only restriction is places on you is to prevent you from taking someone elses work and calling it your own.
What I said was that BSD licenses *tend to create restrictions*, usually to third parties, just like some studies say, if you believe them, that second hand smoke is even more dangerous to one's health than first hand smoke.
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Sorry I just figured out the graph I attached isnt titled. Edited
 
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Originally Posted by rm42 View Post
What I said was that BSD licenses *tend to create restrictions*, usually to third parties
Like what? I mean the BSD license itself doesn't really impose any restrictions so what restrictions does it 'tend to create'?
 
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Originally Posted by 9000 View Post
Hmm...

Linux is successful in many areas from embedded system to super-computers. It's no question that Windows won the desktop market, though.

Also, the following picture would mean something to some people:

EDIT: Sorry! I just figured out the graph isn't titled. It is the OS adoption in supercomputers, by percentage...
I know Linux is used in supercomputers and in clusters, but that is a miniscule marketsegment in any count. To say that Linux is succesful in the embedded world is not right. The embedded world is gigantic. The most succesful OS of all is in fact Nokias S40. In any count RTOS rules the embedded world with a myriad of OSes, and they are not Linux based. People get the impression that Linux is used 'everywhere' simply because that is the only OS they know except Windows.
 
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2011-03-03 , 06:36
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Originally Posted by ericsson View Post
I know Linux is used in supercomputers and in clusters, but that is a miniscule marketsegment in any count. To say that Linux is succesful in the embedded world is not right. The embedded world is gigantic. The most succesful OS of all is in fact Nokias S40. In any count RTOS rules the embedded world with a myriad of OSes, and they are not Linux based. People get the impression that Linux is used 'everywhere' simply because that is the only OS they know except Windows.
My reply to you was to respond to your statement "The only success Linux has had is on Android" only, and I did also mention the success of Linux in servers market. I hope these figures would add up to your list of "Linux's successful stories".

I might not be the best person to defend Linux's success in embedded world, but I could still tell from my years of experience on OEM embedded products manufacturing, Linux is very successful these years, but still not the most successful in term of adoptions and market peneration.

The embedded world is gigantic. The most succesful OS of all is in fact Nokias S40.
The most successful OS of all in embedded world is definitely not Nokia's S40. What is your second guess?

While you metioned RTOS, Symbian is as much a RTOS as WinCE. A Linux distro RTLinux has realtime turnaround time that these two could not compare; but still, they're fine for non-critical RT application area like mobile phone.

Just little information for your thought. ^^

EDIT: to accurately quote and respond to exactly what you said in order to avoid misleading you in any way. ^^
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Originally Posted by 9000 View Post
Percentage.
Yes, it was pretty obvious from the cap of '100'

But I was wondering what % it represented.
Thanks for revising the post, it's clear now.

I think that kind of numbers only appear on supercomputing and network gears (routers, vpn endpoints, etc). Devices that are deployed in huge quantities so they become very cost sensitive, AND the users are highly technical/skilled.

Unfortunately this will never happen on the mass of endusers, unless *nixes become 'user friendly' in the traditional sense of the term.
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Unfortunately this will never happen on the mass of endusers, unless *nixes become 'user friendly' in the traditional sense of the term.
Actually most sold embedded OS has no unified UI. It is the core made it successdul.
 
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Unfortunately this will never happen on the mass of endusers, unless *nixes become 'user friendly' in the traditional sense of the term.
*cough*OS X*cough*
 

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Originally Posted by exo View Post
Like what? I mean the BSD license itself doesn't really impose any restrictions so what restrictions does it 'tend to create'?
Because it is permissive, it allows closed source forks. It allows for embrace, extend, extinguish scenarios. That is why Microsoft would love that all open source was released under a BSD style license.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/fatal-flaw-in-bsd/298978

By being too permissive this licenses fail to protect openness, just like a world without laws and someone to enforce them tends to create tyrants.
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Actually most sold embedded OS has no unified UI. It is the core made it successdul.
And the numbers for that is...?

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post
*cough*OS X*cough*
What is the marketshare of OSX machines?
It's in the low teens if I remember right, and that includes the PPC based ones without OSX.
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