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Originally Posted by bluefoot
You bring up cyanogenmod, they were also to be shortly in india and were very short, funny how that goes. So can I buy one for xmas? Or shortlier shortly? Like next year? Like previous year?
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2014-12-17
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
And as everyone has been able to see, Steam for GNU/Linux has been working out fantastically well and will certainly not be dropped or 'left in the community's hands' in the foreseeable future.
Canonical's largest efforts at the moment are in the consumer space. Firstly, working with AMD / NVIDIA and Valve to make Ubuntu, and Linux more generally, a serious alternative to Windows for gaming - as this is the biggest stumbling block for so many non-professional but still sophisticated users. Secondly, Ubuntu Touch.
Originally Posted by bluefoot
Let's first wait and see how much devices will actually be sold.
- India, shortly, and since the first device is aiming at the ultra low end in this market, it's likely to ship a lot of units.
As to Tizen watches and other 'wearables': I'd be extremely surprised if, in 10 years, there will even be 'smart watches' or any of that other fad nonsense at all, let alone ones running Tizen. 2013 is going to be the year of smart watches! No wait, 2014! Actually, we made a mistake, it's 2015!
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SailfishOS Update10 discussions
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2014-12-17
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#224
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra
There are 4 Samsung Gear watches with Tizen:
If you are referring to NX2000 and NX300 cameras, their firmware is derived from some parts of Tizen code. Only devices (meaning other than smartphones) using Tizen that I know of are Samsung NX1 and Samsung Gear S as Samsung Z was shelved (most likely permanently). Additionally, Tizen is not FOSS but contains many bits and pieces that are under Flora license, which is not compatible with Open Source initiative. Also SDK is closed source. In that sense you are right, there are more devices running Tizen or some derivate - just no smartphones.
Galaxy Gear (original) which was Android, but latterly 'upgraded' to Tizen
Gear 2
Gear 2 Neo
Gear S (latest)
Plenty of Sailfish isn't Open Source? What's your point?
Originally Posted by szopin
No I didn't.
You bring up cyanogenmod
Originally Posted by nthn
Steam certainly isn't being dropped for Linux. Far from it. Where you get this idea or impression I have no idea. They're pinning their future on it.
And as everyone has been able to see, Steam for GNU/Linux has been working out fantastically well and will certainly not be dropped or 'left in the community's hands' in the foreseeable future.
Let's first wait and see how much devices will actually be sold.
As to Tizen watches and other 'wearables': I'd be extremely surprised if, in 10 years, there will even be 'smart watches' or any of that other fad nonsense at all, let alone ones running Tizen. 2013 is going to be the year of smart watches! No wait, 2014! Actually, we made a mistake, it's 2015!
Millions. i.e. far more than Sailfish will have shipped in 12 months time, unless something extraordinary happens.
~3m smartwatches were sold in 2013. It'd be shocking if more than double weren't sold this year. Sales will explode in 2015, if for no other reason than Apple are launching their product. I'd be amazed if less than 25m are shipped. It'd also be pretty amazing if Samsung were not top 2 with Apple. So do your own calculations.
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2014-12-17
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
Oh really sorry, one of your alter egos did, because so open source it gets rekt by money, hoooah for open source and stuff
No I didn't.
Steam certainly isn't being dropped for Linux. Far from it. Where you get this idea or impression I have no idea. They're pinning their future on it.
Millions. i.e. far more than Sailfish will have shipped in 12 months time, unless something extraordinary happens.
~3m smartwatches were sold in 2013. It'd be extraordinary if more than double weren't sold this year. Sales will explode in 2015, if for no other reason than Apple are launching their product. I'd be amazed if less than 25m are shipped. It'd also be pretty amazing if Samsung were not top 2 with Apple. So do your own calculations.
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2014-12-17
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Also don't forget Firefox OS - while I have no idea if or how Mozilla is making any money from it, it is certainly shipping on quite many low-end devices.
An even though I don't really like the app development concept they choose (Javascript & HTML5 only, bleh :P ), the one I got recently due to its low price (~36€) works decently and I could imagine using it as a smarter dum-phone replacement. It has no terminal emulator out of the box and there is no Python and/or Qt/QML, so it is of course totally unusable for serious usage as mobile computer.
An even though I don't really like the app development concept they choose (Javascript & HTML5 only, bleh :P ), the one I got recently due to its low price (~36€) works decently and I could imagine using it as a smarter dum-phone replacement. It has no terminal emulator out of the box and there is no Python and/or Qt/QML, so it is of course totally unusable for serious usage as mobile computer.
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2014-12-18
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Originally Posted by szopin
Tbh, you sound totally deranged ...
Oh really sorry, one of your alter egos did, because so open source it gets rekt by money, hoooah for open source and stuff
Tomi is that you? Tizen was to explode in 2014, now in 2015, from zero it will be nuclear tizen explosion. Steam consoles make so much difference, maybe steam powered nucular explosion
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2014-12-18
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
Point is, none of the provided examples are completely FOSS but contain more or less significant pieces of closed source components, proving my original point that there are at the time (at least almost) nobody in consumer product business doing everything completely Open Source. Sailfish is mostly, open parts are:
Plenty of Sailfish isn't Open Source? What's your point?
- Mer Core
- Nemo middleware
- Most core apps
These are the parts that make up most of Sailsifh OS and by statement by Stskeeps: "default policy is to open source unless it's covered - and we usually contribute those to Mer or Nemo Mobile projects." Which IMO is pretty clear. But obviously not enough for some until every single piece of it is Open Source.
Closed parts are:
- Sailfish UI, which is the part Jolla wants to license to other manufacturers to generate income and which also contains some licensing agreements that prevent Open Sourcing it completely.
- Hardware adaptation, which they simply cannot Open Source as it contains proprietary stuff owned by others.
But for now, enough offtopic. Maybe this discussion could continue in some other thread...
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2014-12-18
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Originally Posted by bluefoot
Tbh, you sound like totally deranged tomi ahonen from 2012 'next year will be the year of tizen', then from 2013 'next year will be the year of tizen', now with 2014 coming to an end 'sooooon, very shortly...', it's just not happening
Tbh, you sound totally deranged ...
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2014-12-18
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Originally Posted by Kake41
Nobody wants to release software that breaks devices. That leads to unhappy end users, and bad press.
Hmm... Mosconi must be a funny guy and good making jokes if nothing isn't going to happen before XMas...
If the RC is stable so why not opt-in for us unpatient people?
Software releases come when there are no (or acceptable) regressions in functionality known, and upgrading has been proven to be a smooth experience with testing.
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