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#2331
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch View Post
There are a lot of people which love Sailfish and their Jolla. So obviously Jolla has done a lot of things right. Of course there are things which every individual would do different. But if you be honest to yourself, you don't know if that really have brought more success.
You need to understand that there are not much people who like SailfishOS compared to the mobile market and the % of people using it

As well you need to understand that a lot of those who does like Jolla, like it because of Qt, maemo, meego, mer and even TMO. As well as PR of FOSS.

let's say if last 5 cars you owned were Honda, most likely you would want to buy new Honda even if it's not the best option available.
(See those jokes about Gnome vs KDE? The root of this holywar is not only coz of current state of them, but it starts with the first version of them and two camps of supporters, even though now they are not even close to what they were (DEs))
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I disagree with you in one part:

You have to see that a quite high percentage of the users who ever used a Jolla like Sailfish OS. You can't count users which never used Sailfish OS. And you can't count people who have never heard of Jolla - People which just go in the next shop and buy what the the shop assistant tell them is the best for their needs.

There are by the way a lot of my friends who tried it. All of them liked it, but none of them bought a Jolla phone. Why? Well there are multiple reasons. Most of them asked just for the specs of the phone and were disappointed. They agreed that my phone runs pretty smooth (and even better than some of theirs), but nevertheless there was the longing for higher specs and a better resolution (some of them already need reading glasses and wouldn't have recognized any difference between a full HD display and the Jolla screen). And then there are the people who just buy what all their friends buy. And unfortunately I am not one of their ideals, I'm the crazy guy without facebook and whatsapp....

So looking at my friends, Jolla should have offered a high end device. Because most of them just want to show off with their mobiles. (Not very nice friends in this respect )

On the other hand if they would have sold their High-end device for 900 € there would have been many people which simply couldn't afford it.

I agree with you that the most people out there act like you discribed:

if they had in the past always an Android Phone and weren't really disappointed they will again buy Android phone's in the future. It doesn't really matter if there is a better system.

But when you don't see any chance to break through this pattern, than any other OS is doomed and we have to accept, that Android is the Windows in the mobile world.

Anyway I for myself think their is a chance. But you need a huge power of endurance. This isn't something which you can reach in a short run.



Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
You need to understand that there are not much people who like SailfishOS compared to the mobile market and the % of people using it

As well you need to understand that a lot of those who does like Jolla, like it because of Qt, maemo, meego, mer and even TMO. As well as PR of FOSS.

let's say if last 5 cars you owned were Honda, most likely you would want to buy new Honda even if it's not the best option available.
(See those jokes about Gnome vs KDE? The root of this holywar is not only coz of current state of them, but it starts with the first version of them and two camps of supporters, even though now they are not even close to what they were (DEs))
 
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#2333
You are probably right: the biggest problem for Jolla would be to get out of this tiny niche. IMHO the OS is almost ready for a broad market. So what is lacking is partners that sell devices with Sailfish OS.

I regard the Jolla Phone a demonstrator. Jolla can't do it all (software and devices) alone - even Blackberry could not, although they at least had pretty deep pockets.

Sailfish OS could become fashionable. It needs some luck, though.
 
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#2334
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch View Post
I disagree with you in one part:

You have to see that a quite high percentage of the users who ever used a Jolla like Sailfish OS. You can't count users which never used Sailfish OS. And you can't count people who have never heard of Jolla - People which just go in the next shop and buy what the the shop assistant tell them is the best for their needs.

There are by the way a lot of my friends who tried it. All of them liked it, but none of them bought a Jolla phone. Why? Well there are multiple reasons. Most of them asked just for the specs of the phone and were disappointed. They agreed that my phone runs pretty smooth (and even better than some of theirs), but nevertheless there was the longing for higher specs and a better resolution (some of them already need reading glasses and wouldn't have recognized any difference between a full HD display and the Jolla screen). And then there are the people who just buy what all their friends buy. And unfortunately I am not one of their ideals, I'm the crazy guy without facebook and whatsapp....

So looking at my friends, Jolla should have offered a high end device. Because most of them just want to show off with their mobiles. (Not very nice friends in this respect )

On the other hand if they would have sold their High-end device for 900 € there would have been many people which simply couldn't afford it.

I agree with you that the most people out there act like you discribed:

if they had in the past always an Android Phone and weren't really disappointed they will again buy Android phone's in the future. It doesn't really matter if there is a better system.

But when you don't see any chance to break through this pattern, than any other OS is doomed and we have to accept, that Android is the Windows in the mobile world.

Anyway I for myself think their is a chance. But you need a huge power of endurance. This isn't something which you can reach in a short run.
There is huge difference between liking by using 5 minutes and daily usage.
And as a lot of people who did not like Sailfish just do not talk about it doesn't mean everyone like it. You probably see what you want to see. There are enough posts here ppl selling Jolla, and on TJC a lot of complaining, same as on twitter. But again as you are not interested in it, you do not see it. Basically your statistics is wrong. Sorry for that.
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#2335
There is no OS that pleases everybody in all it's aspects. No matter the device/OS/software/whatever, there are complaints and there are people selling them for various reasons. It seems again that every argument goes as long as it "proves" nobody can genuinely like Sailfish OS...

But don't worry. It may be over soon, so you don't have to suffer anymore with it.
 
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#2336
Originally Posted by ZogG View Post
Basically your statistics is wrong. Sorry for that.
I've never made a statistic. So I don't deserve your sympathy.
If you have seen a statistic of me on TMO, you've just seen what you wanted to see. I'm sorry for that.
 
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
There is no OS that pleases everybody in all it's aspects. No matter the device/OS/software/whatever, there are complaints and there are people selling them for various reasons. It seems again that every argument goes as long as it "proves" nobody can genuinely like Sailfish OS...

But don't worry. It may be over soon, so you don't have to suffer anymore with it.
Well I'm selfish and hope he has to suffer for a while longer...
 
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#2338
Originally Posted by Fellfrosch View Post
Well I'm selfish and hope he has to suffer for a while longer...
I only suffer because I care about you and how you hurt yourself on purpose again and again and even find the reason to explain why it is good for you. I think it's called an addiction. As for me I lost my 400 euros 3 years ago and I will not get them back, simple as that.
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#2339
Guys freeze... What comes first? Christmas or Jolla tablet info!
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#2340
Guys ..
I know I have guffaw-ed a few times here concerning some good lines and all.
and personally it's a mixed bag for me...the Jolla ..that is..since I wouldn't have minded one...but the support and sales were (naturally due to the horrid climate of control and nightmare of dealing with and..) in the North American market.
And so was pretty much shut out of the fun.
On the same token I am glad I didn't have to go through the horror stories some of you have....
and I do understand it is difficult....
especially for a new endeavour ...
to please and accommodate everyone.

As far as all that goes...

I do truly hope that no matter what...
the os's and developments in question ..
Sailfish, Nemo...and Mer...
continue and flourish..
no matter the physic downfalls.
Disembodied and able to function on other hardware is inevitably more cost efficient , has a higher chance of longevity, and has a better chance of survival than trying to "do it all" like so many much larger companies have learned ...just is too much.

And lastly...
past all the (well justified or not) complaints of many...

I know it has been mentioned...

but at this time I would like to extend my most heartfelt to the employees who have been laid off and those who worked or are STILL working for little or no pay ...
It bloody well breaks my heart to see this crap happening at all...
let alone before Christmas.
Running through my mind right at this moment comparably is a tune from a great (for a long time) unknown who sang of losing his job 2 weeks before Christmas ...(and in fact did by the grimmest of chance...lose his gig with the record label ...2 weeks before Christmas...)
And it is about as wrenching as all this makes me feel.

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