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	Fellfrosch	2015-11-30 , 17:37
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

I know it has been mentioned...

but at this time I would like to extend my most heartfelt to the employees who have been laid off and those who worked or are STILL working for little or no pay ...
It bloody well breaks my heart to see this crap happening at all...
let alone before Christmas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zm7b9xY3I

I absolutly second that, and find it quite strange that people here complain about the loss of 400€ three years ago. And even worse some people claim that other people should be sacked.
Well I hope that there will never be the day where somebody asks your boss for firing you.

	Dave999	2015-11-30 , 17:53
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zm7b9xY3I

There is no winners in this mess. While I like the story of sugerMan I prefer this song right now: https://youtu.be/K0HwHUtB6cM

Youtubeparty while waiting for info, tablet, jolla, Christmas or other stuff.

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Last edited by Dave999; 2015-11-30 at 18:08.

mscion	2015-11-30 , 18:00
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Originally Posted by endsormeans

Guys ..
I know I have guffaw-ed a few times here concerning some good lines and all.
and personally it's a mixed bag for me...the Jolla ..that is..since I wouldn't have minded one...but the support and sales were (naturally due to the horrid climate of control and nightmare of dealing with and..) in the North American market.
And so was pretty much shut out of the fun.
On the same token I am glad I didn't have to go through the horror stories some of you have....
and I do understand it is difficult....
especially for a new endeavour ...
to please and accommodate everyone.

As far as all that goes...

I do truly hope that no matter what...
the os's and developments in question ..
Sailfish, Nemo...and Mer...
continue and flourish..
no matter the physic downfalls.
Disembodied and able to function on other hardware is inevitably more cost efficient , has a higher chance of longevity, and has a better chance of survival than trying to "do it all" like so many much larger companies have learned ...just is too much.

And lastly...
past all the (well justified or not) complaints of many...

I know it has been mentioned...

but at this time I would like to extend my most heartfelt to the employees who have been laid off and those who worked or are STILL working for little or no pay ...
It bloody well breaks my heart to see this crap happening at all...
let alone before Christmas.
Running through my mind right at this moment comparably is a tune from a great (for a long time) unknown who sang of losing his job 2 weeks before Christmas ...(and in fact did by the grimmest of chance...lose his gig with the record label ...2 weeks before Christmas...)
And it is about as wrenching as all this makes me feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6zm7b9xY3I

Very thoughtful commentary endsormeans. But, you know, there are far worse things that can happen to you than losing your job during the holiday season...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzV9DIL_vrM

	pycage	2015-11-30 , 18:06
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Originally Posted by bluefoot

No. They lost the main prospective investor (€10m), meaning that this round of financing (selling shares in the company) would certainly fail.

Is there evidence for this?

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	Dave999	2015-11-30 , 19:18
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Originally Posted by pycage

Is there evidence for this?

Soon. will be released when ready. At least I hope jolla will give news as soon as possible, Good or bad...just no disappear or hire people in silence.

Personally I don't believe that they didn't know about this issue until right after slush. I'm pretty sure they have known for a while. No evidence. Marc knew and left, Italian guy stopped his Twitter long ago and left.

But I hope jolla can pull a rabbit from the hat...

One thing that I found interesting is many articles said jolla pull half of staff. Then about 100-50 ppl should be left working with the tablet?

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Last edited by Dave999; 2015-11-30 at 20:34.

bluefoot	2015-11-30 , 20:36
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch

There are a lot of people which love Sailfish and their Jolla. So obviously Jolla has done a lot of things right. Of course there are things which every individual would do different. But if you be honest to yourself, you don't know if that really have brought more success.

And if you think even further, weren't there a lot of brilliant products in the past which weren't successful? And weren't there a lot of products which were not really good and succeeded anyway?

And no there is often no obvious cause for a flop, like bad marketing, bad design or things like that. Often the only explanation was and is, that the market isn't ready for a product like this.

On the other hand there are a lot products which only succeeded because there was a huge company in the background, like the iPhone or Goggle Chrome:

The iPhone succeeded because it delivered something new, a fresh design and there was a well known and popular brand behind. The first iPhone itself was rubbish when it hit the market and there were a lot phones which were MUCH better.

Chrome is still rubbish (yes I know it is fast - but what else). Nobody wanted to have it at the beginning. Chrome only succeeded because Google decided after the very poor start to spread it like a virus. You downloaded a software and installed with it the unwanted package of Chrome and set it as the the main browser. Of course you always had the choice to opt out. But I still would call such a behaviour as a drive-by-infection. Which was in plain terms only possible with A LOT of money.

You (and others) should really try using some different products. You have absolutely no idea just how far behind in features, functionality and performance Sailfish is, and the gap grows ever wider.

The reason Jolla have not succeeded is due to; calamitously bad judgement and management at every turn; a product that despite 4 years of development and a very solid base to work from is miles behind the competition and arguably inferior to both of its immediate forebears even 2 years after release; total lack of engagement with developers or any effort to provide them with a desirable or revenue generating platform and alienating almost the entire Maemo / Meego userbase & community with breathtaking speed; appalling communication and PR; a ridiculously flawed development process; a combination of arrogance and self pity.

They could have succeeded on their own merits, but they didn't. They absolutely did not fail because they were too small. They failed because they failed. That they failed so utterly - despite initially a great deal of interest and good will in the industry - is perhaps their greatest achievement.

If they were as good as you and other seem to think and it was just a question of resources, you'd have seen them taken over or fully funded long ago, with more than 1 partner (now likely gone) in 4 years. That none of that happened is testament to what I just stated.

	Dave999	2015-11-30 , 20:48
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If jolla manage somehow deliver the tablets, manage to pay lastu I wouldn't consider it a failure. Then they would have successfully delivered two devices, which was what they said they would do.

Then the scamness would be Low or even non existing.

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Last edited by Dave999; 2015-11-30 at 21:06.

mscion	2015-11-30 , 21:46
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Originally Posted by Dave999

If jolla manage somehow deliver the tablets, manage to pay lastu I wouldn't consider it a failure. Then they would have successfully delivered two devices, which was what they said they would do.

Indeed. To me this would indicate a great success, especially with all the challenges they had to overcome. I would think that future investors would be quite impressed with their follow through and commitment to customers.

gerbick	2015-11-30 , 21:59
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Originally Posted by bluefoot

You (and others) should really try using some different products. You have absolutely no idea just how far behind in features, functionality and performance Sailfish is, and the gap grows ever wider.

You know... I'd normally say the same thing but there's a huge difference. Without Android Support, Sailfish isn't spying on me like Google Android or Apple iOS. Yes... there's a huge app gap on Jolla; but my privacy is important to me as well.

The features a lot of people (not saying you) tend to fall into are centered around the perceived app gap for the most part. The rest, it's items that are truly missing - copy/paste in a few areas, among other standard features.

I won't argue management and other areas you've identified simply because I disagree. Lack of third party support is an issue. So would be lack of consistent PR, consolidating the effort to pull the community together behind their product and cover the app gaps, as well as many other things... management is perhaps at fault, but that's just a skewed look at an entire company.

	ZogG	2015-11-30 , 22:00
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Originally Posted by mscion

Indeed. To me this would indicate a great success, especially with all the challenges they had to overcome. I would think that future investors would be quite impressed with their follow through and commitment to customers.

If you shoot yourself in leg and finish the run — it's not success.
Delivering what is promised is not a benefit, but requirement

Edit:
As of the songs here — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJIqnXTqg8I

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