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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
Copying for yourself is SUPPOSED to generally fall under 'fair use' provisions in our laws--it's, in fact, a right granted by the Constitution. Illegally distributing, publicly performing, and making money off of someone else's production, while illegal, no... NONE of that is STEALING and it's boggling logic to equate any of that with robbing a person of one's possession when you've simply duplicated a possession and left the original copy intact. Illegal, maybe.. but it's not 'stealing.' Let's try and illegally COPY that guy's television or microwave, over there, before we start equating them.
Originally Posted by zerojay
Well, shoot.. now you're nice longer fun to insult.
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I agree with kopte3, it is not the same. Come back later with a better example.
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2009-09-25
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#232
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Originally Posted by sjgadsby
I thought the phrase was, "a man of wealth and taste"?
Well, at least we know he's a man of taste and culture.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by kopte3
Mind elaborating why it wouldn't be?
No it wouldn't.
In both instances you are installing software from unstable sources (extras-devel) or in the iPhone's case (Cydia).
And Nokia nor Apple has supported people installing applications from those sources. I think Nokia even gives you a warning about it when you try installing them.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
That's like asking someone to prove something false. You need to prove something is TRUE, not the other way around.
Mind elaborating why it wouldn't be?
In both instances you are installing software from unstable sources (extras-devel) or in the iPhone's case (Cydia).
And Nokia nor Apple has supported people installing applications from those sources. I think Nokia even gives you a warning about it when you try installing them.
At any rate jailbreaking an iphone is something they go out of their way to prevent. Come back later with a better example.
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2009-09-25
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I did prove why something is true (see above post that you quoted). So now it's up to them to prove it false. Though you are right in that Nokia doesn't try to block it. But it seems rather stupid to install expermental software and then if your device is unstable because of it, blame the device rather than the expermental software.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Yes they do. Nokia asks "you do this on your own risk, we don't take any responsibility for it. Are you fine with that?", Apple says "you're a criminal if you do that!".
I think Nokia even gives you a warning about it when you try installing them.
I find it disingenuous to claim that this is not the same, as that would be indirectly justifying Apple's no-go policy.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by kanishou
That's the warning given with extras(-stable) apps.
Yes they do. Nokia asks "you do this on your own risk, we don't take any responsibility for it. Are you fine with that?", Apple says "you're a criminal if you do that!".
I find it disingenuous to claim that this is not the same, as that would be indirectly justifying Apple's no-go policy.
Extras-devel apps cannot even be installed without knowing what an APT repository is. That's a quite a difference. The repo is designed for hosting unstable apps; stable apps would be promoted to extras(-stable).
Thus the issue at hand.
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
To that end, I absolutely agree with your sentiment.
I did prove why something is true (see above post that you quoted). So now it's up to them to prove it false. Though you are right in that Nokia doesn't try to block it. But it seems rather stupid to install expermental software and then if your device is unstable because of it, blame the device rather than the expermental software.
Originally Posted by bbin
[mockingly] "How old are you? five?" myeah
LOL! What an argument. How old are you? five?
Just kidding
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2009-09-25
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Originally Posted by kanishou
Any software besides the official software is unsupported and completely at your own risk whether that is on iPhoneOS or Maemo does not matter.
Yes they do. Nokia asks "you do this on your own risk, we don't take any responsibility for it. Are you fine with that?", Apple says "you're a criminal if you do that!".
However, Extras is tested by this community and found stable, whereas the App Store is reviewed (but not tested in sense of QA!) by Apple and found stable, whereas Cydia is tested by community and found stable. One problem Cydia has is that with the scattered repositories you run a combination of repositories probably not well tested or taking each other into account.
Now, Extras-Devel is explicitly for development purposes. We now know that Eldar has installed software from Extras-Devel on the same device he is using to publicly judge stability of the N900 firmware. I question this behaviour. Extras-Devel is like installing an alpha/beta/rc firmware or OS. Much of the software has not been tested on the final product. Its like running Windows XP software on Windows Vista. Anything can happen.
I have seen iPhoneOS applications being reviewed by an iPhoneOS enthusiast news site, and they're usually a sneak preview. The reviewers are honest and informative in telling their experience both positive and negative wise without remarks like 'oh this sucks donkey' while also underlining they're not using the final version. Ie. "this bug was reported and confirmed" or "the bug is fixed in the final version currently pending reviewal". AFAIK Eldar does not commence such communication.
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