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	Dave999	2015-12-02 , 22:32
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Originally Posted by nieldk

"A phenomenon that everybody is familiar with is not just some kind of side effect of the nature of the skin on fingers and toes, but a functional feature that has very likely been selected for by evolution"

Who said that? Darwin or niel?

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nieldk	2015-12-02 , 22:36
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Who said that? Darwin or niel?

Tom Smulders

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tommo	2015-12-02 , 22:48
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw

Dave, there's a reason nobody has thanked you for any of your last 10 posts. Just give it a rest!

Dave is the entertainment in a thread of people who are right

tortoisedoc	2015-12-03 , 07:10
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Originally Posted by aegis

Wasn't the issue patents?

Nokia had a huge reciprocal patent portfolio to bat off trolls in the USA. Jolla doesn't so it might just be safer not to play at all.

I thought Nokia gave free access for Jolla to their patents as part of the (then) Nokia layoff's bridge fundings?

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juiceme	2015-12-03 , 07:55
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Originally Posted by tortoisedoc

Originally Posted by aegis
Wasn't the issue patents?

Nokia had a huge reciprocal patent portfolio to bat off trolls in the USA. Jolla doesn't so it might just be safer not to play at all.

I thought Nokia gave free access for Jolla to their patents as part of the (then) Nokia layoff's bridge fundings?

No, AFAIK.

Besides, entering US market is not about being able to license a bunch of patents, it is about having muscle to defend your standing in the court, it is about who has deeper pockets.

As a foreign startup you have less than a snowball's chance in hell to survive against APL if they ever decided to crush you under a ton of paperwork.
It is an extremely protectionistic area where only big players can succeed.

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	Dave999	2015-12-03 , 08:06
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Jolla should not fight Apple heads on. What about a gray market phone. Jolla is small enough to fly under radar and still sell thousands of devices in US. Jolla streetPhone should be the name in use US.

Gerbick, Cop and other TMOers could set up shop.

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aegis	2015-12-03 , 08:46
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Originally Posted by juiceme

Besides, entering US market is not about being able to license a bunch of patents, it is about having muscle to defend your standing in the court, it is about who has deeper pockets.

Sadly I'd agree. In litigation it's often not who is right but who has the most money.

strongm	2015-12-03 , 08:48
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Originally Posted by mscion

Could Jolla have released an unlocked version without going through FCC or specific carrier? I would then have purchased it on line from some international distributor..

Er ... the Jolla has never been a locked device. If you'd wanted you could indeed have purchased and shipped into the US. People did exactly that.

I'm reasonably sure that Jolla did their maths, and decided that a US 3G/4G compatible device was not worth their while. They had limited resources, and felt it best to concentrate them on Europe and BRIC.

And the US carriers' propensity to fail to agree on CDSA v GSM, or on even frequencies make it tricky to create a universal device

mscion	2015-12-03 , 13:12
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Originally Posted by strongm

Er ... the Jolla has never been a locked device. If you'd wanted you could indeed have purchased and shipped into the US. People did exactly that.

I'm reasonably sure that Jolla did their maths, and decided that a US 3G/4G compatible device was not worth their while. They had limited resources, and felt it best to concentrate them on Europe and BRIC.

And the US carriers' propensity to fail to agree on CDSA v GSM, or on even frequencies make it tricky to create a universal device

Never said that Jolla phone was ever locked. But often when you order phone online it can be advertised as unlocked

https://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...ked_phones.asp

If Jolla sold phone through carrier, say T-mobile, it might have been locked. When I got my Note Edge from t-mobile it tuned out to be locked. Fortunately that can be easily undone. If they sold an "international" gsm phone with right bands so you could readily use them on at&t and t-mobile or other carries, that go through at&t or tmobile, without going though unlocking that would be a convenience. Maybe, that is something the online sales company does as a service.

At the time I got my Jolla phone I did not see where I could order the phone. Could I have ordered one directly from Jolla? Didn't seem like I could at the time. Maybe they were sold online but I didn't see where. I actually had a friend from Switzerland, who was visiting the States pick one up for me.

Not sure what assumptions or formula Jolla did their calculations to omit US and Canada Maybe they might have sold 500 to 1000 or more. Maybe a one percent increase in sales would keep the lights on few more days. Maybe there are more tech-geeks in US and Canada than Jolla realizes. Who knows.

But, at least, I think my worries are over in regards to Jolla contraband. Gerbick has my back, I think... Cash in unmarked bills or bitcoin. Perhaps Dave999 can be a Jolla runner too if he can get his hands on a stack of Jolla tablets...

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gerbick	2015-12-03 , 13:22
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Originally Posted by mscion

But, at least, I think my worries are over in regards to Jolla contraband. Gerbick has my back, I think... Cash in unmarked bills or bitcoin. Perhaps Dave999 can be a Jolla runner too if he can get his hands on a stack of Jolla tablets...

I wish I could help. I'm still trying to find a way around buying a Jolla phone at a decent price from a country/reseller that would send to the US and avoid the shipment of devices with a battery being the problem - as with anything from Finland.

Otherwise, yep. I'd have your back.