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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by Matan
Not even a N800 or Soekris? Zomg the world is collapsing!
There is nothing in this device (or in any of the other devices you suggested) that might be considered a replacement for USB host functionality.
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This thread should be added a prefix: Incredibly silly because after a few pages it does get there quickly.
I'm buying this for completly other reasons than having USB-OTG etc.
That said:
"Living in the past because no WiFi(or don't want it)" - a) unsecure b) tedious to setup c) unable to debug Air[TM] ERROR d) unreliable
"Using Serial<>BT" - I find this an excelent idea. Makes it easy to not need crawling around etc. The one downside I see is: farraday cages - a lot of those racks are more or less near such so it would be rather difficult I think to get through.
"Alternative to flash dongles" - a flash dongle that uses a microsd is what I would have expected the usb dongles to be from the start. Sadly none of the manufacturers bothered with it. I tend to have with me atleast 2 microsd cards with adapters for minisd and plain sd and a smallish microsd or plain sd card reader. The problem is when someone just wants for you to copy things from their key to whatever device. I would make it clear I expect only such and such format(considering what mail I autoreject just due to attachments this wouldn't be much of a prob for me). Not to mention all the possible filesystems etc. I don't carry around anything FAT formated.
So yes might suck, might be hackable but the main reason I want this device is:
It's a portable device I can use as a dumb terminal and has a phone bolted on.
I'm not a heavy phone user so the first bit is for me the big deal.
I'm buying this for completly other reasons than having USB-OTG etc.
That said:
"Living in the past because no WiFi(or don't want it)" - a) unsecure b) tedious to setup c) unable to debug Air[TM] ERROR d) unreliable
"Using Serial<>BT" - I find this an excelent idea. Makes it easy to not need crawling around etc. The one downside I see is: farraday cages - a lot of those racks are more or less near such so it would be rather difficult I think to get through.
"Alternative to flash dongles" - a flash dongle that uses a microsd is what I would have expected the usb dongles to be from the start. Sadly none of the manufacturers bothered with it. I tend to have with me atleast 2 microsd cards with adapters for minisd and plain sd and a smallish microsd or plain sd card reader. The problem is when someone just wants for you to copy things from their key to whatever device. I would make it clear I expect only such and such format(considering what mail I autoreject just due to attachments this wouldn't be much of a prob for me). Not to mention all the possible filesystems etc. I don't carry around anything FAT formated.
So yes might suck, might be hackable but the main reason I want this device is:
It's a portable device I can use as a dumb terminal and has a phone bolted on.
I'm not a heavy phone user so the first bit is for me the big deal.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by ruskie
Mwah. Instead of WPA2 you could run a VPN (OpenVPN, SSH, IPsec) over it.
"Living in the past because no WiFi(or don't want it)" - a) unsecure
"Using Serial<>BT" - I find this an excelent idea. Makes it easy to not need crawling around etc. The one downside I see is: farraday cages
"Alternative to flash dongles" - a flash dongle that uses a microsd is what I would have expected the usb dongles to be from the start.
Sadly none of the manufacturers bothered with it.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by nashith
Miutech's HDPC will have 2 separate USB connectors too. And Ethernet! But it's a bit larger than the N810.
I read from somewhere that Iriver H340 (international version) have two separate USB connectors. 1 for Host mode and 1 for USB peripheral mode.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Or if you are truly paranoid WPA2 "enterprise" (certificates) with openvpn.
Mwah. Instead of WPA2 you could run a VPN (OpenVPN, SSH, IPsec) over it.
Yes I really am _that_ paranoid! I've even thought about getting that anti wifi paint for my house! lol
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by Matan
Perhaps from a low-level point of view. But you can have protocols to do whatever you want, i.e. this is a software (firmware) only problem. FYI, I could connect my Zaurus (USB client) to my laptop (USB host) and control everything from my Zaurus. More precisely, I had an IP connection via USB between the two devices.
When you connect this (or any similar) device to the N900, the HD controls the connection.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
And you're back to step 2... tedious setup
Mwah. Instead of WPA2 you could run a VPN (OpenVPN, SSH, IPsec) over it.
And of course you might have the horror of having one of those wifi cards that just loves to randomly bring down the entire system.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by vinc17
You know, I really don't have to justify my preference. It's not inherently "right" and you might even be able to define it as "wrong", but it's still my preference and that's what I'll base my purchasing decision on.
Why using a flash drive when you can transfer the files directly (by USB or wifi)?
But, since you ask: I have a 16 GB card in my pocket computer, and a 32 GB flash drive in my pocket. Obviously, the flash drive can hold more than the pocket computer. Sometimes I want to access files on the flash drive. Do you seriously think I would choose to go to a desktop computer, transfer the files I need from the flash drive to the desktop, then from the desktop (DIRECTLY! -- as you put it) to the pocket computer?
Thanks, but I'll wait for a pocket computer that actually fits my needs, rather than adapting my work to a poorly designed (in terms of meeting my needs) pocket computer.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by hqh
I have also believed that support might be doable by software hacks. Thanks for providing some tech info.
Yes, I agree. It would have been a good bonus feature - but if it's permanently disabled in hardware, people whining online are not going to make it magically appear...
HOWEVER...
At least the publicly available OMAP35x (similar to but not exactly the same used in N900) technical reference manual lists USB2.0 TESTMODE register. It appears that it could be used to force the controller into a specific mode by software, regardless of the ID-pin or connected devices.
The N900 might not deliver power to the port but other than that I still believe the support might be doable by software hacks.
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Originally Posted by JayOnThaBeat
That^ would suck...
... (It's like dumping your girlfriend of 2+ years for a new, hotter girl, only to find out that she wont do the *same things* your old girlfriend did.)
...or not.
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What wasn't very clear to me in all this discusion is:
Can the N900 simultaniously charge and transfer data when connected to a desktop or other computer via USB?
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PS The N900 playback quality will depend how well we can use the DSP and other extensions - the OMAP34340 should be very capable of 720p if the extensions are fully utilized.