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Originally Posted by daperl
Sure it is, as long as the definition of "supercharged" includes (off the top of my head) a much smaller screen, a useless stand, terrible battery life, greatly reduced bluetooth protocol support, wifi that may not work (in the country the device was made for and was sold in) if there's no SIM installed, even fewer physical keys, crippled input methods etc etc (did anyone manage to hack USB OtG and/or host yet?)
The n900 is a supercharged n810 with a cellular radio.
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Originally Posted by Matan
It appears on every spec page of the N900. No native MMS, no 3G video calls, no individual ringtone per contact, no text2speech engine for reading text messages or announcing callers' names, OS only designed for landscape orientation, no voice dialling, ... I mean: Who would ever buy this as a phone except for a few geeks that appreciate SSH and the ability to hack their devices more than all these missing features you expect even from the cheapest phones today? What the phone is, what it can do and what it can't, is a very clear statement of who it's designed for.
If Nokia think that the N900 is not ready for mass market, don't you think that this very important bit of information should appear somewhere on this page? http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
I will never understand those who bought it even though they clearly expected at least some of those missing features and now claim they'd been "betrayed" or whatever... It's them who made a mistake, not Nokia.
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2010-12-11
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Even for a second any of what you said wasnt in discussion.
It appears on every spec page of the N900. No native MMS, no 3G video calls, no individual ringtone per contact, no text2speech engine for reading text messages or announcing callers' names, OS only designed for landscape orientation, no voice dialling, ... I mean: Who would ever buy this as a phone except for a few geeks that appreciate SSH and the ability to hack their devices more than all these missing features you expect even from the cheapest phones today? What the phone is, what it can do and what it can't, is a very clear statement of who it's designed for.
I will never understand those who bought it even though they clearly expected at least some of those missing features and now claim they'd been "betrayed" or whatever... It's them who made a mistake, not Nokia.
What was in discussion was Nokia's maketing strategy along with dis/misinformation and/or cutting the lifeline significantly quicker then current smartphone industry standard.
Just to give this statement some validity:
My first encounter with the n900 was in Mediamrkt near Zell Am See, Austria, in April this year.
In this electronic oriented store the N900 was AGRESSIVLY being promoted. offcourse it was doing so in the cellurars department.
Imagine the N900 having his own stand, the first device anyone getting in this department see. If it is a niche device then Nokia should have never promoted it like this. Offcourse the salesman quated just about every spec there is. You must admit, that 6 months ago the N900 hw sounded pretty impressive. Think of all of those who fell into this "honey trap".
Why do you think there are so many trolls around opening so many new threads about their disatisfaction from this product?
There is NOTHING about the n900 marketing that screams of being a niche device.
Personally i never used MMS or voice calling before. I use skype over 3g if i really need it(i have a solid data plan).
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Originally Posted by lma
touché
Sure it is, as long as the definition of "supercharged" includes (off the top of my head) a much smaller screen, a useless stand, terrible battery life, greatly reduced bluetooth protocol support, wifi that may not work (in the country the device was made for and was sold in) if there's no SIM installed, even fewer physical keys, crippled input methods etc etc (did anyone manage to hack USB OtG and/or host yet?)
And not to mention the quality of the screen. The n810 doesn't scratch with normal stylus use (or any use for that matter); the n900 is embarrassingly easy to scratch.
But I disagree about WiFi. Here in the U.S., with or without a SIM card, the n900 WiFi is robust and fast, where my n800 and n810 are occasionally fickle.
Since I could care less about physical keyboards, don't get my started on virtual keyboards. Just don't, or I might start to cry.
And yes, that's the false advertising, they shouldn't have been able to call it a computer without some form of USB host mode. Not a big deal to me, but I know it's huge for plenty.
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Originally Posted by ironm8
There's good support from Nokia for this product, given it's a niche device that was meant only for a small customer base. I got my last firmware update only recently. I could go to any Nokia service point once my N900 breaks. It works as advertised - but will not get major OS updates (whatever they'll name them, Maemo6 or MeeGo) just as we knew it wouldn't.
Even for a second any of what you said wasnt in discussion.
What was in discussion was Nokia's maketing along with their lack of support.
What I wrote above seems to be heavily disputed. There are lots of users here who are under the bizarre impression that Nokia actually promised the N900 would eventually be their flagship device, that it would eventually get all those missing features via OS upgrades, and who are not being p'ssed because the realize how wrong they were. So yes, it's worth pointing out in this context not only how obvious it was that this a device that will live only until the day they launch the N9, but also how obvious it was that it wasn't a mass market device. People do deny it.
Originally Posted by ironm8
Really? Did he? Strange. A salesman wanted to sell this device? Come on. Complain to Media Markt if they didn't inform you correctly about what the device doesn and what it doesn't. - In the end, though, it's nobody else's fault than yours if you made a wrong decision.
Just to give this statement some validity:
My first encounter with the n900 was in Mediamrkt near Zell Am See, Austria, in April this year.
In this electronic oriented store the N900 was AGRESSIVLY being promoted. offcourse it was doing so in the cellurars department.
Imagine the N900 having his own stand, the first device anyone getting in this department see. If it is a niche device then Nokia should have never promoted it like this. Offcourse the salesman quated just about every spec there is.
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2010-12-11
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Originally Posted by benny1967
to my estimate thats nokia's responsablity.
Really? Did he? Strange. A salesman wanted to sell this device? Come on. Complain to Media Markt if they didn't inform you correctly about what the device doesn and what it doesn't. - In the end, though, it's nobody else's fault than yours if you made a wrong decision.
if they admit that they made a device which is not for everyone, they should at least try to make sure it'll be sold to the correct population.
Maybe they should've make a limited release like Google is doing with Chrome. I dont know. All I know is that there are a decent amount of unhappy n900 users out there.
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Are you serious, dude?
It appears on every spec page of the N900. No native MMS, no 3G video calls, no individual ringtone per contact, no text2speech engine for reading text messages or announcing callers' names, OS only designed for landscape orientation, no voice dialling, ... I mean: Who would ever buy this as a phone except for a few geeks that appreciate SSH and the ability to hack their devices more than all these missing features you expect even from the cheapest phones today? What the phone is, what it can do and what it can't, is a very clear statement of who it's designed for.
I just browsed around, and I went to iPhone's spec page. Guess what, they don't mention MMS capability there. Nor portrait/landscape orientation, text 2 speech engine, etc.
You don't make clear conclusions just by things that were not mentioned.Nokia can't hide behind that.
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I just found a way to clarify what i wanted to say:
a N900 mustnt be sold next to an iphone.
a N900 mustnt be sold next to an iphone.
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