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2012-04-20 , 20:04
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#241
Didn't consider you worst, or best, just worried this is going to turn into beauty contest with personal frustrations being vented. Doesn't help anyone really. Just wanted to +1 Sourav.doubey's call for calm (maybe this community needs 'calmers'? People who voluntarily jump into over-heated debates to bring peace and cold-headedness(is that even a word?), multitude of WinPhone failing threads would suggest such role could be useful, candidates: any view on that? <- there, back on topic :P)
 

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2012-04-20 , 22:10
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thanks!
any chance you could add a Candidate declaration?
Working on it now.
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2012-04-20 , 22:12
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Originally Posted by szopin View Post
Didn't consider you worst, or best, just worried this is going to turn into beauty contest with personal frustrations being vented. Doesn't help anyone really. Just wanted to +1 Sourav.doubey's call for calm (maybe this community needs 'calmers'? People who voluntarily jump into over-heated debates to bring peace and cold-headedness(is that even a word?), multitude of WinPhone failing threads would suggest such role could be useful, candidates: any view on that? <- there, back on topic :P)
moderation of TMO is out of Council's responsibility, as was discussed a few months ago on Ask the Council thread.
bottom line was that Reggie is administering the site with financial help from NOKIA (so far paid until end of the year) and the help of a few more people.
furthermore there are a few "super poster" (TexRat is one) who can delete posts.

guess those pretty much are the police and much like the real thing... where is a policeman when you need one, right?

thus, definitely off-topic as far as Council is concerned...
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2012-04-20 , 22:23
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#244
we have now six candidates
  • Iván Gálvez Junquera / ivgalvez
  • Piotr Jawidzyk / Estel
  • Joseph Charpak / jcharpak
  • Craig Woodward / woody14619
  • Arie Mark / Arie
  • Nieldk (from candidate for council election)
thus more candidates then there are seats.
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2012-04-21 , 00:10
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#245
Originally Posted by szopin View Post
Now that we've established on-topic relations lets have a jab at people we don't like...t
Ah crap! I'm toast!

Anyway... Glad to see we have lots of options in the list now, though I can't help but notice there's still one missing. And there's only a few days left to make/accept nominations... <*cough*><*cough*>
 

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2012-04-21 , 00:29
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#246
Removing personal exp/off-topic crap... seriously woody, nothing personal and none was taken, I am more than happy you are enthusiastic about CSSU development.

To get back on topic: Is council the best part to... how to say it, assuming lumiaman's predictions are lunatic and Nokia does end up bankrupt, ideas of maemo revival go into drain, would council be the ones responsible for... idk, starting kickstarter campaigns to get 100k$-1m$ to buy maemo components in order to opensource them? Would council as maemo-community-reps have a better negotiation-ground for such action?
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2012-04-21 , 01:04
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#247
It seems that we may have "license" to redistribute parts needed in build process via community OBS. There is already brainstorm about that going in mailing list (with some experienced people donated their time to maintain OBS), and such people + SD69 (I wanted to say Council, but he is alone...) + qgil are working on it.

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2012-04-21 , 01:12
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#248
Originally Posted by szopin View Post
To get back on topic: Is council the best part to... how to say it, assuming lumiaman's predictions are lunatic and Nokia does end up bankrupt, ideas of maemo revival go into drain, would council be the ones responsible for... idk, starting kickstarter campaigns to get 100k$-1m$ to buy maemo components in order to opensource them? Would council as maemo-community-reps have a better negotiation-ground for such action?

There's already been some actions around trying to make sure the ducks are all in a row, just in case. It's been a slow going thing, which I personally have not been involved in at any capacity beyond spectator (and that was just recently).

Frankly, I'm in the camp that strongly believes that we'll have a good amount of warning before the ship starts to sink. But I also believe that it will be harder to do things on a sinking ship than to do precautionary work as we sail into the Atlantic.

Really, what's the worst case? We line up things and then Nokia rebounds and everything is funded until free warp-power takes over and we can store/run a personal archive of all of this in a live mirroring VM that runs on a chip the size of a grain of rice? What's lost in that, minus some time and effort for those that want to put such things into this community? Now what's the other worst case? What you spelled out... Sounds like Pascal's wager to me.
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2012-04-21 , 06:36
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It kind of is. Not that WP would be hell for me (I do believe more competition than 2 dominating brands would be healthy), but in best case scenario Nokia rebounds and once healthy continues work/investment in maemo/meego/harmattan (not exactly heaven too, but would be happy with such development), worst: gets to bankrupt and puts all maemo-related IP on sale and the price is right for community purchase (ok, worst scenario is Google buying it all out to keep its 'open' OS dominant, they don't need competition and the 'do no evil' line is long gone if someone hadn't noticed)

EDIT: actually, second scenario could lead to FREEmantle and constant updates (kernel 3.x, glibc, libglib all in newest versions, you name it), so it seems worst scenario might actually be best scenario. :/
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2012-04-21 , 07:42
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Woody,

your link doesn't work for me, so just in case, i assume this is what you meant...
Pascal's Wager
kind'a like the idea of having faith in NOKIA (NOKIA's future?) and think it pretty much corresponds to szopin's best case scenario.

my thoughts on that:
  • NOKIA has spent darn too much on Maemo to let it go & it never seemed to be for the money
    (maybe something the community here should take to heart?)
  • it is still the ONLY R&D platform NOKIA has
    • (not an expert on Internet Tablets, but i think) 770, N8x0s & N900 were each in their way the bleeding edge of what could be done, at least as a "package" even though maybe not at the individual component level
    • NFC, Swype, no button... all things practically not thought of before the N9
    • wp simply isn't a good platform (for NOKIA) to explore ground breaking technologies; the NOKIA drive was hacked to run on an (any?) other wp device less then a week after the L800 was out...
    • Donna, Symbian^3's fifth iteration will support dual-core; what better way to explore this (& fine tune energy & thermal constraints) then a N10 or N960 or whatever running OS2013?
  • considering PR1.2 & announced PR1.3, it seems obvious Flop has no way to stop the "R&D effort"; so far, Lumias only get crumbles of what N9 has introduced and RureView technology was introduced on a Symbian device

don't agree with szopin's worst case scenario; not that i don't believe it can happen but my understanding was that Flop already handed NOKIA's IP over to a IP Troll company which is, in essence, a m$ marionette... there is nothing left for Google (or any other company) to get, or is Maemo out of Flop's reach for this as well?
even then, would Maemo be a juice enough target justifying acquiring the rest of the wreck, just to get it?

i'm not a candidate, thus take this as a "metaphysical foray"...
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