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naabi	2011-02-23 , 16:17
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Originally Posted by gerbick

What's bothering me... the silence from Nokia. Announce something, say something, instill faith in the market... do something unless you want the price to keep dropping down to nearly nothing.

As ex-Nokia Rick Simonson used to say about corporate communications.

Good news is no news, bad news is good news and no news is bad news.

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	ysss	2011-02-23 , 16:23
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I think MS knows full well the current WP7 status, that's why they struck a deal with Nokia.

WP7 cannot compete yet on its own merit in the smartphone segment:
- Android fanboys are the geekier kind, which would know WP7's technical deficiencies.
- iOS fanbase are tied to Apple's ecosystem
- BB userbase are too pragmatic (and tied by their enterprise's ecosystem to move elsewhere)

So they want to poach Nokia's significant fanbase which are pretty much OS agnostic and brand-loyal.

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	volt	2011-02-24 , 10:00
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We're going down, down, down, down down, we're going down down down... :music:

gruik	2011-02-24 , 10:45
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	rm42	2011-02-25 , 18:18
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This reminds me of watching the trade center towers burn. It was so horrible and sad, but I couldn't look away...

http://www.investmentu.com/2011/Febr...oks-bleak.html

http://www.h-online.com/open/feature...e-1194928.html

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ericsson	2011-02-25 , 18:48
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Originally Posted by rm42

This reminds me of watching the trade center towers burn. It was so horrible and sad, but I couldn't look away...

http://www.investmentu.com/2011/Febr...oks-bleak.html

http://www.h-online.com/open/feature...e-1194928.html

The rapidity with which similar Linux-based systems such as Android and WebOS have been brought to market by competing vendors tells its own story.

Oh please, that is definitely NOT what happened. WebOS came after several YEARS of "developing" this and that by Palm. When WebOS finally came, it didn't sell and Palm was purchased by HP. If HP will sell anything is for he future to show.

Android is NOT "similar" to Maemo/MeeGo. Android works because Google cut away all Linux stuff.

	Dave999	2011-02-25 , 18:56
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Let's buy Nokia stock!

ericsson	2011-02-25 , 18:57
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If you want to know what is going on, read this:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu..._smartphon.php

If you disagree, then you have no clue. It's that simple.

wmarone	2011-02-25 , 19:06
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Originally Posted by ericsson

Android is NOT "similar" to Maemo/MeeGo. Android works because Google cut away all Linux stuff.

Please stop spouting nonsense. Android is popular because Google is behind it. If they hadn't bought it, Android would be nowhere but a proprietary OS on a handful of phones. Maybe.

	rm42	2011-02-25 , 21:52
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Originally Posted by ericsson

If you want to know what is going on, read this:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/featu..._smartphon.php

If you disagree, then you have no clue. It's that simple.

I agree that this is what they think the situation is/was. I disagree that the course they took was the best possible course. In particular, these are the areas where I would have looked at the situation differently:

Nokia correctly foresaw the need for a surrounding ecosystem, but has struggled to fully implement its Ovi vision and, as a result, it now has a perception problem.

This is a management problem more than any thing else. They needed some fresh creative blood in there. Invest a few millions on a start-up with the right vision and get everyone to work together to accomplish it.

It is becoming difficult for one company to do everything (hardware design, manufacturing, operating system, applications, developers, location, content services, advertising, etc.) as the competencies involved in building a competitive ecosystem grow ever broader.

Sure. Say that to Apple.

But really, Nokia had everything already in place. They just needed the right leadership.

Windows Phone offers a modern UX with good underlying technology. However it has significant holes in its feature set that will need to be addressed.

The problems with Windows Phone go far beyond its feature set. It is laden with a terrible history. The company that produces it is despised by most consumers. People keep buying Windows only because of the illegal monopoly, not because people like it. People can't talk about Microsoft and Windows without rolling their eyes. And I am not talking about techies. I am talking about average consumers. The situation with techies (the primary smart phone buyers) is even worse.

The agreement with Microsoft and the use Windows Phone allows Nokia to differentiate its devices from its main Android and iOS powered rivals.

There may be some wrinkles in the agreement that gives Nokia the ability to differentiate themselves a bit from other Windows Phone sellers. But Meego would have allowed far more differentiation for Nokia. Besides, in my opinion, the Windows code is not going to be as easy to work with to achieve that differentiation, especially a bug free one, as it would with Meego.

MeeGo is not yet ready yet. The risks involved in Nokia waiting for MeeGo to be ready are perceived to be greater than switching to another platform.

I left this point last because I think it is crucial. My reply is to say that Windows is not yet ready yet either.

And, in my opinion it will never be. It is starting with the wrong approach, closed source with draconian restrictions on a platform that already has a bad reputation. I agree that waiting for Meego to be ready would have been too much of a risk. Instead of waiting, they should have bet the company on it and put all their development weight behind it. That would have given them plenty of good will, backing, and optimism from the market, the developer community, and the loyal Nokia consumers. The missed opportunity is a shame, a real shame.