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Originally Posted by benny1967
Huh? really?!
Does Apple state anywhere in their marketing that "if you want to have full control over your device you bought, if you want to use the device independently of any software we provide, then the iPhone is probably not for you"?
Does Nokia state anywhere in their marketing for the N8 that "if you just want to make phone calls and send text messages, if you prefer a numeric keypad and never take pictures with your phone, let alone videos, the N8 may not be for you"?
Does your local car dealer shoo you away with huge posters saying that "if you don't have a drivers license, want to protect the environment by using public transport and can't afford the insurance, those cars aren't for you"?
It's always up to the consumer to buy the product that's right for him. The only thing a vendor has to do is to make sure such a product is available. (In the good old times, before the 1950s or 1960s, salespeople in shops would make sure they'd understand your demands and sell you exactly what would make you happy. Those days are gone. At least for those who buy at Media Markt. Your on your own and have to live with your decisions.)
Lets go with the general population, ok?
What works for them? an Iphone? Yes! an N900? No!
About the N8, its being marketed as a camera phone!
and also, if a John Doe who will never take a single picture with his phone, would he be disappointed?! NO! his N8 will send texts and answer/make phone calls just the same as any other phone!
About your car example, oh well, thats common knowledge.
I could give you another example, it is as Blockbuster renting porn right next to their romantic flicks! NOT the same population cut!
hence they shouldnt be side by side, just like iphone and n900.
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2010-12-11
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lol you guys
nokia already has your $$$ - they couldnt care less what is written here
just like iPhone - the N900 has its own religious caste - why you would waste your time arguing logic with a person of faith is beyond me
nokia already has your $$$ - they couldnt care less what is written here
just like iPhone - the N900 has its own religious caste - why you would waste your time arguing logic with a person of faith is beyond me
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2010-12-11
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Originally Posted by daperl
Yeah, it defaults to the US regulatory domain when there's no SIM. It's a pain in the neck in Europe if you want to use it in tablet mode (to preserve battery, or when you're roaming etc) where there are loads of APs on channels 12 & 13 but it just won't see them.
But I disagree about WiFi. Here in the U.S., with or without a SIM card, the n900 WiFi is robust and fast
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Originally Posted by ironm8
Awfully strong assertion you're making there. My experience has been that the N900 is actually quite appealing to the "general population". It's people who are slightly more experienced and set in their ways ("Handhelds must have portrait!!") who seem to have real trouble.
Huh? really?!
Lets go with the general population, ok?
What works for them? an Iphone? Yes! an N900? No!
Fix the more glaring bugs and Maemo 5 actually has a lot of "general population" appeal.
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@benny: no one is saying the customer does not play a part in selecting the product that they think is right for them... .but it's certainly in the vendor's own interest to market their devices to their intended audience to increase their customer's satisfaction.
With Apple and Android's customer satsifaction ratings and continued marketshare growth numbers, I don't see them having this particular problem as Nokia does (marketshare growth slowdown in general and shrinkage in higher end devices in particular).
With Apple and Android's customer satsifaction ratings and continued marketshare growth numbers, I don't see them having this particular problem as Nokia does (marketshare growth slowdown in general and shrinkage in higher end devices in particular).
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Originally Posted by lma
Good read. Such a sadistic world we live in; more proof that source just wants to be free, yet my apathy is still intact. I need to look at that...
Yeah, it defaults to the US regulatory domain when there's no SIM. It's a pain in the neck in Europe if you want to use it in tablet mode (to preserve battery, or when you're roaming etc) where there are loads of APs on channels 12 & 13 but it just won't see them.
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Originally Posted by gryedouge
Not implying, I'm stating outright.
Does your comment imply that MeeGo could be a very serious and legible contender rival to PC and Desktop OS? Taking on the linux stable, Windows and Mac OS at some stage?
That sounds pretty much exciting.
I am doing graphic design (Inkscape), office work (OpenOffice), blogging (Wordpress web client), twittering, forum posting, emailing and many of the usual day-to-day activities I might otherwise do on my Windows 7 desktop or Windows XP laptop. MeeGo 1.1 on the Lenovo ideapad that Intel was kind enough to provide to MeeGo Conference attendees.
It's funny (and irritating) to see pundits refer to MeeGo as "vaporware" when I'm running it every day with no more trouble than I would get on any mature OS...
EDIT: as pycage says a few posts later here, there are distinctions between MeeGo for netbook and MeeGo for handset. However part of my gripe is that slams against MeeGo tend to be overly broad, as if no version was usable.
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Originally Posted by Frappacino
...and an equal number of naysayers who are damned determined to convince "fanboys" that they aren't really enjoying their device of choice. Or if they are, that they're wrong to do so.
some many victims of Stockholm Syndrome here
if you had a negative experience with the N900, dont waste your time to convincing the evangelists here otherwise, just STOP buying Nokia products and work to convince your real lie social network not to buy them too. That is your ONLY right as a consumer in the market place.
Arguing is just a waste of time, Nokia doesnt give a toss about what is written here. They have your $$$ this time. Dont let them have it next time.
And around and around we go.
These arguments are idiotic and indeed a waste of time. And they never seem to end.
Originally Posted by Frappacino
O the irony!
why you would waste your time arguing logic with a person of faith is beyond me
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Since this is a Maemo fourm, MeeGo is associated with the handset version, not the netbook. It's really running quite well on a netbook, simply because it's just a rebranded MobLin.
MeeGo handset however is still far from being usable for every day.
MeeGo handset however is still far from being usable for every day.
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Does Nokia state anywhere in their marketing for the N8 that "if you just want to make phone calls and send text messages, if you prefer a numeric keypad and never take pictures with your phone, let alone videos, the N8 may not be for you"?
Does your local car dealer shoo you away with huge posters saying that "if you don't have a drivers license, want to protect the environment by using public transport and can't afford the insurance, those cars aren't for you"?
It's always up to the consumer to buy the product that's right for him. The only thing a vendor has to do is to make sure such a product is available. (In the good old times, before the 1950s or 1960s, salespeople in shops would make sure they'd understand your demands and sell you exactly what would make you happy. Those days are gone. At least for those who buy at Media Markt. You're on your own and have to live with your decisions.)
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