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tswindell	2010-08-12 , 14:47
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YoDude, the council has worked for most of us. It's just there are users here that have been here no more than 9-10 months that just don't understand what this community is here for, and, have probably only just heard about the Council, and are grasping at the possible opportunities this new resource may give them in getting Flash 10.1.

Oh. and if it doesn't give these users 10.1, then they'll just continue moaning and berating the real community members here on maemo.org

I say the council should work on a user engagement forum, where they can moan all the want and leave us alone until they have something worth while to say

tswindell	2010-08-12 , 14:51
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

And one thing for sure is its name as Maemo.org is not apt considering Nokia have killed off Maemo so there is a problem to start with.

You guys need to get your head out of the sand and start to be realistic, start to take in just what HAS happened since the start of Maemo.org get together in a BIG effort to see just what can be done for its future.

You're just getting really annoying now. You are not a member of this community, you're a leech. You've been here for a few months and you think you're suddenly on some crusade. Get a life.

Maemo is not dead, Nokia may not be continuing development, but that doesn't mean the platform is dead. All of us that actually do something for this community, as long as we have working N900's I'm sure we'll continue writing interesting applications and doing interesting mods to the device, whilst it is running Maemo.

You on the other hand will run off to some other forum which is semi-related to whatever device you decide to get next.

Start being a constructive member of this community or walk on please ...

	Stskeeps	2010-08-12 , 14:57
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Originally Posted by SD69

This is the part that bothers me. Maemo.org is supposed to be the organization that can handle this. And now you are using the inadequacy of the organization as a reason not to proceed. And I realize that Nokia may have privately said this, but it should not be tolerated IMHO.

We're in the middle of what looks like a civil war, including lack of direction and a severe repetition of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spa_ASeHc0 making this a bizarre environment to do things in.

I don't personally think this community is capable of doing any major undertakings right now* regarding OS.

* My view is that any major undertakings regarding OS should be done through the MeeGo project framework. No use beating what is essentially yesterday's platform. And this goes for the N8x0 work too. At least people like smoku try to do the right thing and rebase hildon-desktop on top of MeeGo and help bring libhildon to a nice state in MeeGo.

Last edited by Stskeeps; 2010-08-12 at 15:02.

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abill_uk	2010-08-12 , 15:02
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When is an attack realised as an attack huh.

People like you just want to control and domineer to the point your membership duration is giving you brownie points from the mods !.

	nicolai	2010-08-12 , 15:05
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

I've even ported libhildon as a proof of concept to MeeGo to help in the right direction, but no real response.

What did you expect?
I don't understand this. How is "porting an open source component
from maemo to meego" related to "open closed source fremantle
components"?

tswindell	2010-08-12 , 15:06
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

When is an attack realised as an attack huh.

People like you just want to control and domineer to the point your membership duration is giving you brownie points from the mods !.

Just saying that the real community, has been here a lot longer than the people that you see yourself representing, and, who are generally quite ignorant to how we operate here.

The Council is a part of how we operate. It's how the developers and enthusiasts here raise important issues with Nokia, and how Nokia can communicate resources to the community.

You're not in this community, because you don't do anything for us. Help or leave. I'm not being nasty, I'm trying to be pragmatic. You obviously don't like what you've got, so ditch it and move on ...

Rob1n	2010-08-12 , 15:07
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

What you fail to recognise is the majority do NOT think Maemo is complete in any way or form as the N900 does not give anything like the performance users want and the very reason people are fed up with Nokia.

I must have missed the poll you ran on this one. Anyway, I don't feel that Windows is complete either, or Linux, or Symbian. Maemo has all the features I need, and the N900 is the best-performing phone I've used (for my requirements).

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Your waiting for Nokia to give you something , anything , past pr1.3

That's not what he said - he said that he's waiting for PR1.3 (and QtMobility in particular),

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Speak for yourself but you dont speak for the majority i can tell you !.

Another poll I must have missed - probably while I was on holiday.

Originally Posted by abill_uk

What everyone wants to hear is there in fact WILL be Meego development for the N900 by Nokia and some hope that we have not bought a useless device because for sure the next device will be much better obviously if Nokia are anything but fools !.

I dont give a stuff about Nokia supporting Meego on the N900. What I care about is Nokia opening up enough of the software to allow Meego to be run on the N900, with or without support.

Originally Posted by abill_uk

So what can the Council and this community do about this mess???.

As has already been said (multiple times), what the Council can do is report these issues/concerns to Nokia. What the community can do is either write software to work around the issues, write (formal, polite) letters to Nokia execs complaining (and preferably offering suggestions), or vote with their feet (and money) and pick another phone next time.

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tswindell	2010-08-12 , 15:10
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Thank you Rob1n, I forgot to say that I was waiting specifically for PR1.3 and didn't really give a crap about anything Maemo afterwards.

abill_uk	2010-08-12 , 15:13
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps

We're in the middle of what looks like a civil war, including lack of direction and a severe repetition of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1spa_ASeHc0 making this a bizarre environment to do things in.

I don't personally think this community is capable of doing any major undertakings right now* regarding OS.

* My view is that any major undertakings regarding OS should be done through the MeeGo project framework. No use beating what is essentially yesterday's platform. And this goes for the N8x0 work too. At least people like smoku try to do the right thing and rebase hildon-desktop on top of MeeGo and help bring libhildon to a nice state in MeeGo.

Cannot agree more here and for sure this community lacks direction and is turning out in some cases to be a battle ground mainly because of the N900 device.

Yes i agree Meego is the way to go in any event but i would wait and see how successful Meego is before considering a name change for this community perhaps?.

	Texrat	2010-08-12 , 15:14
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Originally Posted by YoDude

Lame Duck???

That is not why I ran. In fact you and others echoed qgil's statement that this would be the most important term (I usually provide links and will if you turn this into a pissing contest but right now I am reacting to this unbelievable statement: )

Does this also mean that you well knew that inviting others to participate would also likely be a waste of their time?

If so... that sucks on so many levels dude.

I spoke very simply in the moment. So far you're the only one in the conversation here to assume the worst of it that I can see.

What I was talking about was the possibility. Yes, this should have been one of if not the most important term(s), but there were so many unknowns that any statement I made along those lines was more of hope and intent than anything else. I didn't say that to mislead anyone and I'm not changing my outlook in hindsight now. It's just that the reality did not match the hope, and I made it clear at the time that it was a possibility.

So please, YoDude: separate hope/intent from outcome.

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