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mikecomputing is offline mikecomputing
2011-05-13 , 19:03
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#261
Originally Posted by NvyUs View Post
It is Maemo 6 Its Not MeeGo, no matter how nokia try and spin it
Are you a developer? Can you give me one library which is not the same as in Meego?
 
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2011-05-13 , 19:07
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#262
Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
I remember this, too. OTOH, a "terminal" as we have on the N900 is just another application. I don't care much if they have it installed out of the box... Some say it confuses end users, so it'd be better to drop it. As long as you can easily install it from a repository, what's the difference?
Agree. The xterm is bigfail on handset anyway.

Hint: someone should do a app better terminalapp in QtQuick for Meego handset :-)
 
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2011-05-13 , 19:12
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#263
Originally Posted by tswindell View Post
There is certainly a Harmatten Terminal application, as it's being open sourced for N900 MeeGo Developer Edition in order to replace the current standard xterm we use, that doesn't work very well with the VKB. There is a possibility that the Terminal program isn't installed by default (though I find this unlikely) but it probably will be hidden away. I also here it's quite good. So lets see
what? when was this added to N900de sounds promising :-) Is this added to repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de image or do I have to install it manually?
 
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2011-05-13 , 19:20
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#264
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Are you a developer? Can you give me one library which is not the same as in Meego?
I do not need to be a developer and rattle of package names to know Nokia are about to sell end users another dead end OS.
Its OK saying install MeeGo.com OS on it but for 99% of end users that will not do when they will have to give up stores and maps and the like.
And I don't need to be developer to read up on all these things and know the differences.
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2011-05-13 , 19:26
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#265
Originally Posted by NvyUs View Post
I do not need to be a developer and rattle of package names to know Nokia are about to sell end users another dead end OS.
Its OK saying install MeeGo.com OS on it but for 99% of end users that will not do when they will have to give up stores and maps and the like.
And I don't need to be developer to read up on all these things and know the differences.
Well I am not developing that much for the meego community. but I am following Qt progress, mailinglists and tweeking with my N900.

Most of the stuff on N900 is the same as in Meego and the rest of the Linux community.

Soo I am sure Harmattan is the same. You maybe will not have access o the lower level drivers (GFX etc) and some apps. But who will peek on those anyways?


But if you prefer openess what is there for alternatives today?
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2011-05-13 , 19:30
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#266
Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Well I am not developing that much for the meego community. but I am following Qt progress, mailinglists and tweeking with my N900.

Most of the stuff on N900 is the same as in Meego and the rest of the Linux community.

Soo I am sure Harmattan is the same. You will not have access o the lover level drivers and some apps.


But if you prefer openess what is there for alternatives today?
Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about you nob?
Looks like I know more than you look at uninformed crap you was coming out with recently.
Harmattan is now fully MeeGo?
where did nokia ever say they will .debs?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=38
lol
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2011-05-13 , 19:35
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#267
Before your EDIT:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
Well I am not developing that much in the community but one is for sure. But I can se now that you not know what you are talking about.
Like you have any clue of what you are talking about?
 
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2011-05-13 , 19:40
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#268
Originally Posted by NvyUs View Post
Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about you nob?
Looks like I know more than you look at uninformed crap you was coming out with recently.
Harmattan is now fully MeeGo?
where did nokia ever say they will .debs?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=38
lol
Just let him be
 
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2011-05-13 , 19:43
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#269
This Post on the Mailing list answers all the things you got wrong in last link i posted.
http://maemo.org/community/maemo-com...n_posts_page=3
 
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Originally Posted by NvyUs View Post
Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about you nob?
Changed my post above at the same time you replayed Sorry..

But you dont give me any good example on what is not Meego in harmattan and thats why I dont take it "serious".

Here is some examples for you why I disagree with you :-)

Both Harmattan and Meego are using:
  • Linux
  • QTMobiltity/Qt(Quick)
  • "Lowerlever API" DBus to communicate with the hardware
  • Opono

differences that we know of already:
  • The UI is not libmeegotouch cause its deprecated. Instead its "Nokias" qt-components. But companys ARE alllowed too use theyr own UI layer instead of the reference design. But I am sure most of the UI will be opensourced VERY soon, atleast what I have heard of in the mailinglist)
  • Debian instead of RPM package manager (this is the only question why its not can be called Meego compliant AFAIK)

Some that may be there and wil be closedsource, same goes here companys are allowed to include closed apps and still call the device Meego compliant:
  • OviMaps
  • GFX driver
  • some drivers
  • Adobe crap Flash
  • Microsoft crap Skype
  • crap like DRM

And yes for many endusers this closed apps are impoortant. Personally I dont give a **** if they're not included in "DE version". Its up to the enduser to decide. If they want closed apps and full "support" they should by some other device. Maybe a WP7 phone or Iphone? Or maybe Android?

As I have said before NO company will EVER release a fully open device! And at the same time have closed apps included. And dont come say Android is fully opensource cause its NOT!

This is not only the Nokias decisions this is also Adobe, Microsoft and the chipmanufactors decisions. Bussiness as usual.
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