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2015-12-30
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#2741
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Originally Posted by pichlo
Yes, he explained the differences and respective lacks very well, so thanks to him.
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2015-12-30
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No worries delmar.
No offense taken at all.
Nor did I desire any post from myself to be defensive or protective or any kind of knee-jerk response also.
But rather meant it to be a good summing-up of the 20/20 hindsight of what seems to be very obvious (and repetitious) traps, weaknesses, and pitfalls that projects / corps. should avoid in their behaviour ...and that anyone who doesn't pay attention ..can fall in.
Rather cautionary.
(Actually if I had a project / corp ...the 1st thing I would do is put signs above every door in the place with examples written of enterprises which failed and the reasoning. Essentially burning into everyone's head daily ...what to avoid...so it would become subconscious in everyone...kinda like the warnings in unexplored areas on maps....hic sunt dracones...not meant to avoid challenge or the unknown...but rather to be aware ...)
actually my choices were write what I did
or
try to find a video clip of homer simpson running around screaming whilst on fire and superimpose Nokia and Jolla logos on him (hehee)
(since that is the overriding image in my head every time I hear "burning platform")
Sadly I couldn't find any clips of homer running around on fire (you'd think there would be a TON of them)
so had to opt out of humour and sadly had to opt in for verbiage.
So yeah...no offense taken...no offense meant either by myself...
no harm - no foul.
No offense taken at all.
Nor did I desire any post from myself to be defensive or protective or any kind of knee-jerk response also.
But rather meant it to be a good summing-up of the 20/20 hindsight of what seems to be very obvious (and repetitious) traps, weaknesses, and pitfalls that projects / corps. should avoid in their behaviour ...and that anyone who doesn't pay attention ..can fall in.
Rather cautionary.
(Actually if I had a project / corp ...the 1st thing I would do is put signs above every door in the place with examples written of enterprises which failed and the reasoning. Essentially burning into everyone's head daily ...what to avoid...so it would become subconscious in everyone...kinda like the warnings in unexplored areas on maps....hic sunt dracones...not meant to avoid challenge or the unknown...but rather to be aware ...)
actually my choices were write what I did
or
try to find a video clip of homer simpson running around screaming whilst on fire and superimpose Nokia and Jolla logos on him (hehee)
(since that is the overriding image in my head every time I hear "burning platform")
Sadly I couldn't find any clips of homer running around on fire (you'd think there would be a TON of them)
so had to opt out of humour and sadly had to opt in for verbiage.
So yeah...no offense taken...no offense meant either by myself...
no harm - no foul.
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1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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Lurker since 2007, Member since 2013, Certifiable since 1972
Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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2015-12-30
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#2743
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Originally Posted by Boxeri
Please refer to http://neo900.org/estimate
Yes, this is exactly what is needed to convince others like me to preorder. What is the current price for preorder and how final it is. Best quess is sufficient for me.
For "how final is that" we're about to publish a "Neo900 finances and crowdfunding" report that basically concludes we need more preorders to keep the pricetag we are aiming at. No surprise when you compare the recent numbers (see post above) to the 500 we took as basis for our calculations, and then count in the PP disaster.
/j
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2015-12-30
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#2744
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sooooo...
you know what that means right boys?!?!
I think it's almost time to pull out the whisky and get local folks we know ...
jussttt drunk enough...
to bonk them on the noggin...
and press-gang them into the neo900 service
you know what that means right boys?!?!
I think it's almost time to pull out the whisky and get local folks we know ...
jussttt drunk enough...
to bonk them on the noggin...
and press-gang them into the neo900 service
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
Lurker since 2007, Member since 2013, Certifiable since 1972
Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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2016-01-05
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Hi! I have a few questions / fun ideas about the hardware design to pass the time...
1. Is it possible to select the boot device (eMMC / flash) at all, and could that pin (SYS_BOOT5 I think?) be exposed, maybe on the Hackerbus next to the UART? In a talk called ARM Snowflakes about test automation, Neil Williams stressed the importance to have an accessible UART (which the Hackerbus will have I believe), and mentioned it is great if an external test machine is able to toggle the boot device also. It could make un-bricking the device easier too?
2. Is it possible the other Hackerbus GPIOs could be chosen so that they could be configured (via pin muxing) as an SPI interface? e.g. to use the neo900 to flash SPI/BIOS chips (or maybe even emulate one)? Or, are there ideas to use different GPIO pins for some other purpose?
3. What non-volatile memory exists across the entire board? What means (if any) are available to disable or make those read-only if that is desired? (I started thinking about this following Joanna Rutkowska's 32C3 talk and State considered harmful paper.)
4. Does anyone have a link, for the method of intercepting mobile phone voice data by measuring a very slight modulation of RF power (e.g. WLAN transmissions)? Could the power supply to the neo900's RF components be filtered to mitigate that somehow (e.g. some kind of low-pass)?
1. Is it possible to select the boot device (eMMC / flash) at all, and could that pin (SYS_BOOT5 I think?) be exposed, maybe on the Hackerbus next to the UART? In a talk called ARM Snowflakes about test automation, Neil Williams stressed the importance to have an accessible UART (which the Hackerbus will have I believe), and mentioned it is great if an external test machine is able to toggle the boot device also. It could make un-bricking the device easier too?
2. Is it possible the other Hackerbus GPIOs could be chosen so that they could be configured (via pin muxing) as an SPI interface? e.g. to use the neo900 to flash SPI/BIOS chips (or maybe even emulate one)? Or, are there ideas to use different GPIO pins for some other purpose?
3. What non-volatile memory exists across the entire board? What means (if any) are available to disable or make those read-only if that is desired? (I started thinking about this following Joanna Rutkowska's 32C3 talk and State considered harmful paper.)
4. Does anyone have a link, for the method of intercepting mobile phone voice data by measuring a very slight modulation of RF power (e.g. WLAN transmissions)? Could the power supply to the neo900's RF components be filtered to mitigate that somehow (e.g. some kind of low-pass)?
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2016-01-06
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#2746
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
That has been my thought as well,
...
But rather meant it to be a good summing-up of the 20/20 hindsight of what seems to be very obvious (and repetitious) traps, weaknesses, and pitfalls that projects / corps. should avoid in their behaviour ...and that anyone who doesn't pay attention ..can fall in.
Rather cautionary.
(Actually if I had a project / corp ...the 1st thing I would do is put signs above every door in the place with examples written of enterprises which failed and the reasoning. Essentially burning into everyone's head daily ...what to avoid...so it would become subconscious in everyone...kinda like the warnings in unexplored areas on maps....hic sunt dracones...not meant to avoid challenge or the unknown...but rather to be aware ...)
....
hopefully there could be a wikipedia page
with something like the ' top 100 priorities for new projects"
and its inverse 'the top 100 mistakes for new projects'.
Human tendency is to oversimplify such things
to a 'top ten' list but ten is just an advertising gimmick
aimed at people who are mentally couch-surfing.
Surely there are thousands of such caveats and recommendations,
but if they could be sifted to a manageable view -by priority-
then the business world could probably advance quit a bit.
Google (and duckduckgo) is not much help for this concept.
This is a concept only barely recognized at linkedin [2015 june 05]
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/twent...roject-kerzner
because mainstream linkedin folk are always touting
'my fix is the big fix you never heard of and need me to tell you'
rather than trying to sift and prioritize and then rank.
Any real business folk prefer to be able to scan lists
sorted by importance rather than dig through a
endlessly redecorated Hodge-podge regurgitation of randomly remembered cliches.
Why is this important ?
Aside from such obvious problems like Jolla, neo900,
Pyra and others, I have to go through this with my own projects.
That the concept is brought up here shows at least we recognize herewith the neo900
just how easy it is to fail and how difficult it is to actually create something from scratch,
without the awesome infrastructure of an already profitable existing organization such as Nokia, Google or Apple.
{Not to mention that I also am currently mapping out a new project}
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2016-01-06
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#2747
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let me first answer the 1. question:
I'll answer the remaining questions later on
/j
Originally Posted by stevenc
Neo900 (like N900) already is unbrickable by design. It's also designed to be inherently secure, see http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo9...es/678/#ic2091
Hi! I have a few questions / fun ideas about the hardware design to pass the time...
1. Is it possible to select the boot device (eMMC / flash) at all, and could that pin (SYS_BOOT5 I think?) be exposed, maybe on the Hackerbus next to the UART? In a talk called ARM Snowflakes about test automation, Neil Williams stressed the importance to have an accessible UART (which the Hackerbus will have I believe), and mentioned it is great if an external test machine is able to toggle the boot device also. It could make un-bricking the device easier too?
I'll answer the remaining questions later on
/j
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2016-01-06
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Originally Posted by stevenc
The Pandora, which has the same processor and the same principal designer (i.e. Nikolaus) as the Neo900, has the sys_boot5 pin linked to the START button. This means that if one holds down that button while powering on, the system boots from the SD card rather than the internal Flash. I, for one, find this very useful.
... 1. Is it possible to select the boot device (eMMC / flash) at all, and could that pin (SYS_BOOT5 I think?) be exposed ...
If it is not already happening on the Neo900, I would like Nikolaus to please consider it.
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2016-01-06
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Originally Posted by ibero
The "principal design" of Neo900 is under my responsibility, Nikolaus is helping a lot and doing the hard lifting. Please see last post of mine and the link in there to the project's bugtracker, for details how we gonna handle SYS_BOOT[5:0] and rationale why we do it this way and not the way it's done in pandora. Emphasis of Neo900 is on security and privacy, not on gaming and development.
The Pandora, which has the same processor and the same principal designer (i.e. Nikolaus) as the Neo900, has the sys_boot5 pin linked to the START button. This means that if one holds down that button while powering on, the system boots from the SD card rather than the internal Flash. I, for one, find this very useful.
If it is not already happening on the Neo900, I would like Nikolaus to please consider it.
cheers
jOERG
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2016-01-06
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Originally Posted by joerg_rw
No offence meant. We can all see that you're the guy holding project together, and we all appreciate it greatly.
The "principal design" of Neo900 is under my responsibility ...
As I read it, the bugtracker page you link to says that for security reasons the sys_boot5 pin will be linked to the Hall switch (which senses the state of the battery cover - i.e. battery cover off; sys_boot5=1), and that for additional security it may be possible to hardwire the sys_boot5 low, and hence override the Hall switch and not allow the boot sequence to be modified at all. Is this right?
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