Careful, careful...

Hildon is open. We know this because Nokia has told us so.

And if you candidly suggest otherwise, an alter ego will be along to take you to task for doing so...
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=60
(although recently rethinking one's zealotry is to be commended)

But of course that was a year ago. The flavor this year is to say how MeeGo is open...
http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=7774343

even though the official Nokia strategy is to keep their UI, apps, ovi, etc., closed:
http://www.nokia.com/NOKIA_COM_1/Tec...hite_paper.pdf

Compleeeetely different situation.

Let's see who shows up to beat down the naysayers who dare to think out loud that maybe MeeGo should not get a free pass and who, on the other hand, lets the naysayers follow the "fool me once, shame on you... " rule

If you have an issue with me, do me the courtesy of taking it up with me.

Hildon is fully open.
It's just extensions like HildonTimeZoneChooser that Nokia have elected to keep closed. (It's not part of libhildon so I can't really, technically, say it casts a light on Hildon's openness.)

Hildon Desktop, Hildon Home and Hildon Status Menu are open, but they're not as open as they were in Diablo due to their dependence on closed source components in Fremantle.

Anyway, I'm just repeating myself here. Whilst I'm doing this, Nokia are doing what they do best: Producing closed software and staying silent.

At the end of the day, Hildon isn't the issue. Nokia have a lot of closed source components that fall outside of Hildon.

Hi,

I don't have an issue with you personally - your post just came up in the search. Maybe I should have used a more recent example, which I tried to acknowledge, would not be yours.

I know, I know, I've been following this saga for years...

You're right, the key issue is, at the end of the day (year), what's it all good for? who knows, maybe someone will hack it onto the top of MeeGo.

Maybe part of the problem for Nokia´s Maemo/Meego people is that developing and changing is too fun and there´s no adult around to tell them that they really must settle on a solution and stick to it.

Although I have never worked in software development, then it can not work much different from other product development. There comes a time when you must lock in the basic specs of what you are producing and only refine details, not change the core.

It´s about time that the Maemo/Meego people start sticking with the framework they have, whatever it is, and resort to refining instead of revolutionizing.

We can see it´s not going to happen with Meego 1, so maybe with Meego 2 and beyond this change-revolution can slow down a bit so that independent developers and end users can be attracted, or maybe it´ll be too late.

There´s a lot of burnt fingers after 4 generations of jumping around, I imagine there will be a lot more after the next generation comes out and the game continues.

It is a little ridiculous how Quim comes in and tells people that they should believe in all the great benefits the new device will bring, if we just leave the current customers behind, when at the same time there are hints that the next device after the one they are releasing in 6 months is going to be a repeat of this currently ongoing saga. (All applications for the Meego 2 device will need to be repackaged in rpm instead of the Maemo 1-5 and Meego1 deb)

My guess is:
- We bought TrollTech and theirs Qt. What should we do with it now?
- I know! Let's put it on top Symbian to cover legacy solutions.
- And on top of Maemo too! We could market it as unified platform.

Already talking about MeeGo 2?

People, come on. Users are Homo Sapiens, not Testudinidae. Neither am I of the family Corporatae.

I have no intention nor possibility to live for a few centuries, as a result, I'd like a release and a fix withing my lifetime. I don't care that Maemo/Meego/Symbian/Whatever will grow up to be great. I don't care. Really. That's YOUR problem.

I do not and will not feel good for pumping effort, pain and cash in a platform others will buy. The elephant is in the distance, I want a fix now.

Thank. You.

Nothing is ever finished. If you ever think you will have a final, working, decent OS in any actual timeframe you're all bonkers. It takes decades to finalize a platform, and, even with a head start, it will take years and years.

More heads will not make for faster resolution. It will make for more ideas, more experiments and more alpha, beta and brainstorming being inflicted on people who won't go anywhere because they're bound by device price.

If you wait for a final release, pull up a chair. You'll be a while.

More beta release, please, more feedback into account, a devel, testing and final releases, and PRIORITIZE. Fix things that suck now, implement marketing ideal later.

This is ten times more frustrating as a developer. I develop and manage systems every day. I know how this game works. When I get a report that button doesn't work, do you know what I do? I alt-tab back to the builder I never close, load up the software and start debugging. When it starts working, I call the user to exit the program (or VNC over) and click-a-di-click a .BAT file that synchronizes the binary files.

Minor patches are fixed in 5 minutes if I'm available. Worst case scenario, I'll fix it Monday.

This multi-month business is driving me nuts. How long does it take to do this?

Maemo has the nimbleness of a fossilized elephant. How's that for a misstep?

You're soooo right. But it's a bad example. It could be complicated in different details...

In my opinion we should make bet's how long it will take to publish a fix for this: 10468
(a real fix, not remapping keys and hacking at our own devices - a fix for all users to improve their user experience)

I'm sure the responsible programmer will not need as much time as we to fill in such bug report. But simply to discuss this simple thing takes ages... and I'm sure, the corresponding programmes is still not informed.

I know, it's very simple. Our devices works also without the fix. But it's a good example how the ball is rolling at the moment.
Let's bet... 1€ for WONTFIX within 2 months and at Meego 1.1 it is surprisingly working out of the box like in the bug report proposed.

Why complicated?

There's a combo box that allows ONE ITEM. The day before. How about adding a few more? Say, same day. Can't be complicated. If it is, you're doing it wrong.