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Originally Posted by ragnar
I was talking about the way it was worded.
How is that only assumption?
But about those studies and data-- can any of that be published? As a former Nokia data analyst myself, I'd be interested in seeing how the tests were designed and conducted, as well as the resulting data. Can that be shared with the community? At least in part?
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Random flame comment, D-pad, freescale, maemo, nokia.
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Originally Posted by Snoshrk
Don't get too hung up on the use of "d-pad" in many of the comments-- that's the term used by and large because it's the current interface. The essential request here is continuation of auxiliary hardware input, and that could certainly be a trackball (I like them too) or even the often-requested scrolling slider. Or any number of variations.
The whole time I was reading this thread I kept thinking that a "track ball" at the center of the DPad would have made the scrolling a much more fluid one-handed experience.
I envision a control similar to that of the BBPearl. It seems pretty intuitive: free rolling and push to select.
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2009-01-12
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Originally Posted by chlettn
I, for one, don't mind changes, and there are plenty of changes that are encouraged. To characterize the arguments as being against changes to anything is unfair. And to say that everything not fitting our view is "shot down" is backwards. It is Nokia that decides, not us.
To be honest, I think some people here seem very reluctant about changes to anything about the current-gen tablets, and that's OK of course. What I find slightly bothersome though is that everything not fitting their views is shot down and questioned. I'd really like to see at least some open-mindedness and a little trust in Nokia's UI designers instead of that persistant display of an "my god they're going to mess everything up" mentality without even giving the upcoming stuff a chance...
But when a Nokia UI designer calls Apple the best touch UI out there and signals an intention to go to an all-touch UI, then we have something some of us know we don't like (and so we say so).
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Originally Posted by chlettn
Questioning is a bad thing???
What I find slightly bothersome though is that everything not fitting their views is shot down and questioned.
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And so what if of the community "shoots something down"? We're not making product decisions. We're simply providing input. I fail to see the harm in that. In fact, I see that allegation as overreacting.
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2009-01-12
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Umm, it's an interesting request, but I'm afraid that would be really tricky. They are written based on the understanding that it's ok to refer to internal documents (also to other internal projects and to their UI's). That would make it very hard to publish them without filtering them verty carefully. And then again, it's hard to see what Nokia would gain from publishing them, whilst it's easy to see the negative sides for publishing them (competitive intelligence, company processes, subcontractors etc.).
I was talking about the way it was worded.
But about those studies and data-- can any of that be published? As a former Nokia data analyst myself, I'd be interested in seeing how the tests were designed and conducted, as well as the resulting data. Can that be shared with the community? At least in part?
Selective publication would then again not be very fruitful: of course we could just pick "the best ones", but that's then virtually useless to anyone else. The real value of testing imho comes from the sequence of one test following each other and observing how test results vary based on the changes done based on previous feedback.
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All I hear Nokia saying is the device that replaces the "internet tablet" will be a phone. Here's the problem: most iPhone owners use their device 100% as a phone and 0% as an "internet tablet" while most n8x0 owners use their device 100% as an "internet tablet" and 0% as a phone.
If I am right, <sarcasm>which we know is so unlikely</sarcasm>, then it seems Nokia's motto is:
"Here at Nokia, the customers we actually have are mostly wrong, while the customers we want to have are mostly right."
This further translates to:
"Here at Nokia, we don't like ourselves."
If I am right, <sarcasm>which we know is so unlikely</sarcasm>, then it seems Nokia's motto is:
"Here at Nokia, the customers we actually have are mostly wrong, while the customers we want to have are mostly right."
This further translates to:
"Here at Nokia, we don't like ourselves."
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2009-01-12
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Thanks for the consideration though, ragnar.
So how about this: is there any way that some future use-case studies could be separated from Nokia proprietary info and be conducted as a collaboration between Nokia and this community? If the focus was on existing hardware/software (for benchmarking) then that should be possible...
So how about this: is there any way that some future use-case studies could be separated from Nokia proprietary info and be conducted as a collaboration between Nokia and this community? If the focus was on existing hardware/software (for benchmarking) then that should be possible...
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Yes, and also keeping auxiliary HW for zoom function as well as scroll...
Don't get too hung up on the use of "d-pad" in many of the comments-- that's the term used by and large because it's the current interface. The essential request here is continuation of auxiliary hardware input, and that could certainly be a trackball (I like them too) or even the often-requested scrolling slider. Or any number of variations.
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Now for my $0.02:
While I like the DPad , I don't think it is the easiest control to use.
The whole time I was reading this thread I kept thinking that a "track ball" at the center of the DPad would have made the scrolling a much more fluid one-handed experience.
I envision a control similar to that of the BBPearl. It seems pretty intuitive: free rolling and push to select.
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