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2010-04-23 , 20:36
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#271
Originally Posted by Cue View Post
It just saddens me to see people, especially developers, promoting the walled garden as the reason rather than the install base in fact if things were closed we wouldn't have all the apps we have now, we would have had to wait for the ovistore to launch and then waited even more for apps to be approved if at all.
A walled garden approach highly enables a large install base. The two are strongly coupled. The bar is much higher for an open approach to achieve the same thing. Commercial FUD is largely to blame for that. We've seen the proof on this very site, when potential buyers drop in with the usual laundry list of misinformative talking points (ie, "Linux is more vulnerable to attack because it's open!"). Thank you, Steve Ballmer.

But I think the MeeGo approach has the potential to overcome this. It will all come down to execution. Skepticism abounds due to past missteps. At this point, Nokia, Intel and others need to perform flawlessly for MeeGo not to follow prior examples... not just theirs, either. They have a lot of inherited albatrosses to shed.
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2010-04-23 , 20:41
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One truly awesome response daperl.

I'm aware of the Google Talk plugin working, which is for me, halfway to where I need it to be. GTalk + Skype and maaaaan, I'd be one eating crow but happy camper.

And to be honest, I don't think the iPhone 4G will be my answer either - as much grief as I give folks about the lack of acceptance of the "walled garden", it's been rubbing me the wrong way too. In fact, I think I've openly stated that a few times here and there in this thread. Ultimately, I truly wanted it to be the N900 that would be my answer.

Maybe the next outing. I just would love the developers and the consumers to get what they're lacking from Nokia.

Again daperl... awesome post. Thanks for sharing.
 
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2010-04-23 , 20:51
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
Personally I don't think Nokia mishandled anything in a way that was that catastrophic and certainly not those working on maemo.

I agree, I think that many people have overlooked this or have been lost in the general flood of complaints and misunderstanding

The question I would like to ask is what are the users afraid of, all in all I know I'm an early adopter but I'm certainly not afraid of the future, because I know that future Qt apps will work and if Meego offered something I don't have in Maemo 5 I could get it.
I think many users did not, pre-purchase, read up on the '900 or sit down and consider that this a new venture which translates into bugs, challenges, shortcomings, etc. Many, I suppose, had pre-concieved ideas that this would be an iPhone killer from day 1 and do everything from mow the lawn to putting the kids to bed at night.

If you read the forums, at times there is a distinct air of mass hysteria amongst users and some devs/'experts'. The threads of calm and appeals for patience and understanding are lost.

Mature users, imo, don't rant and rave against Nokia or blame or whine, I think that they are the quiet readers/lurkers, knowing that at the end of the day, what needs to happen will happen and when it does happen, it will be good

The rest, well...they want to be heard...regardless.
 
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2010-04-23 , 20:57
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Originally Posted by slender View Post
I Agree most part of your message but to this i have to say: - They were first - That was 2 years ago (WTF Nokia) -> who ever comes after has no time to mature itself. You must hit hard and fast. Otherwise there is no reason to be first.
I agree, they should have hit harder and faster perhaps by having more faith in maemo as a smartphone and funding and hiring to implement the missing phone features. I do think they were caught off guard with the reception to maemo 5, symbian was their main platform until maemo showed that it can compete in the (smart)phone market too.
 
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2010-04-23 , 21:14
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I am beginning to think there should be a huge sticky somewhere saying "READ THIS BEFORE BUYING AN N900".
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
I am beginning to think there should be a huge sticky somewhere saying "READ THIS BEFORE BUYING AN N900".
Agree in principle, but that's the slippery slope toward *official support*
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2010-04-23 , 21:20
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Originally Posted by gryedouge View Post
I think many users did not, pre-purchase, read up on the '900 or sit down and consider that this a new venture which translates into bugs, challenges, shortcomings, etc. Many, I suppose, had pre-concieved ideas that this would be an iPhone killer from day 1 and do everything from mow the lawn to putting the kids to bed at night.

If you read the forums, at times there is a distinct air of mass hysteria amongst users and some devs/'experts'. The threads of calm and appeals for patience and understanding are lost.

Mature users, imo, don't rant and rave against Nokia or blame or whine, I think that they are the quiet readers/lurkers, knowing that at the end of the day, what needs to happen will happen and when it does happen, it will be good

The rest, well...they want to be heard...regardless.
It has been said before and I will say it again: This thread is NOT about N900 but rather if and when nokia will be able to compete in the smart-phone market. Read the link on page 1...
Last edited by x61; 2010-04-23 at 21:23.
 
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2010-04-23 , 21:28
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
Just S60v3 can do much, much more than any of the other smartphone platforms out there.
I'm curious to know what the "much, much more" is. I've never been on a high-end Symbian phone and the idea that it can do much more than other smartphones is a surprise. What are the things it can do that others -- like the iPhone, Blackberry, and Android -- can't?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
You're talking about 3G video calls?
The one that cost you some $2 per second?
Did that ever took off?

I think I've addressed the variables in my post above. (In this market) It doesn't matter if you're the first to productize something unless people can and will buy it.
I'm talking about both real 3G video calls and IP based ersatz videocalls. I'm not aware of $2-per-second offerings. It's either included in the base package or costs up to max 30 cents per minute for the cheap tariffs.

You seem to assume it didn't take off for whatever timing reason you give. I cannot follow you here because it did take off and is used. What I was trying to get across is that I find it likely people will celebrate Apple's new feature even though they themselves have been using it for years.
 
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2010-04-23 , 21:45
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
I've asked it before... if OSS is so great on your phone, why hasn't the experience blossomed into something that's greater than what's out there now? To this consumer, it hasn't.
Because phone stack is closed and those features couldn't be integrated into main phone functionality.

If phone stack in N900 was completely open, MMSs could be flawlessly integrated into phone experience by Open Source community. Ditto for *# numbers.

Note difference: for iPhone MMSs were *completely* impossible for *several* years. For N900 they were doable after few weeks.

Sure, I agree that "community" under-delivered in several aspects but in some of them I could lay blame at the Nokia's door. Most important IMO lack of proper and easy to setup developer environment and poor documentation. This thing is being fixed now, partially thanks to Qt.

Other important aspect is incummunicando from Nokia regarding near, middle and far future of platform. And here unfortunately I see little change.
 
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