Originally Posted by ScumCoder

Just my 5 cents.

The only thing that I want from the Neo900 team is to actually finish this project. The time it takes is irrelevant, because my requirements to the smartphone hardware are non-existent. I'm still content with my 10-years-old N95, and in some ways it is still a superior experience compared to modern iPhoid smartphones.

The only thing that will really make me mad would be if the project just fails with no outcome whatsoever. I was observing the development of GTA04A5 by Nikolaus Schaller, and was horribly depressed when it failed because of the soldering problem, despite not being financially involved. Making hardware is much more difficult - and important - than making software. You don't publish patches to your hardware, or "clone" someone's hardware repository onto your table, or check if a fix worked by simple recompilation.

Also, I (unlike a lot of other people here) am interested in Neo900 project for its security first and foremost. There simply is no such thing as "paranoia" when it comes to the safety of personal data. Every byte of closed-source executable code is a breeding ground for backdoors and spyware.

So, I am ready to wait as long as necessary. The only thing I ask is to please not give up. Two failed open hardware projects in a row will be too much.

Originally Posted by endsormeans

I haven't kept track of the maemo-devaun project ...if that is the purpose of it ..then I am glad it is being undertaken .
It is a sane precautionary measure..

Originally Posted by endsormeans

In fact stupid me ..I forgot to mention along with ubuntu and debian..distros ...
there is an os that could make things much easier for such work...
Bedrock OS is meant to run stuff from any distro ..together ..compatibly ..
that strikes me as being far more flexible and yielding to maemo os needs..

Originally Posted by endsormeans

But since 2013 ....
there is the pocket chip and the flavors of Pi that are doing remarkable things ...for under $50. ....and they aren't far away now from proper telephony....it is simply a small step away for them.
Linux is running on them...
Sure it may have proprietary bits..
But still.
at this point in the timeline of what is available ...
It looks very attractive...

Originally Posted by xman

I like the pyra but it's too game focus and a few other that seems kinda of close .. but always seem to have a deal breaker for me.

Though eventually we may be able to run Maemo on a pocket chip device
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Originally Posted by ravelo

Nice to see that discussion about Neo900 is starting again.

I would actually now be interested, which features of this phone might be most interesting or most important for buyers.

Is it...
... usage of linux package management on your phone (apt-get)?
... privacy?
... security?
... choice between multiple OSes?
... default no Android?
... Maemo?
... root access out of the box?
... hacking and tinkering experience?
... not boring as the usual android phones?
... using standard linux apps?
... ability to run current linux kernel for long time?
... ability to run native Linux Apps and Android apps at the same phone?
... standard linux desktop like experience?
... updated N900 with more than enough RAM compared to almost no free RAM on N900?
...

I hope you share your ideas on this topic.

Originally Posted by badpixel

And n9 OLED screen is superior to n900/n950 TFT.

Originally Posted by endsormeans

I think that perhaps I am not being fully understood in what I have been suggesting for the necessary survival of maemo itself

Originally Posted by endsormeans

I am not suggesting maemo os to be ported to yet another handheld device or handheld device line that will ultimately hit the wall of obsolescence.

Opening up maemo is a grand project also...
But still...
I see the inevitable on the horizon.

Likewise ...when I mentioned getting maemo onto 86_64
32 or 64 bit...as a proper distro ...

The first response was linear...and essentially it was..
"what good would 86_64 be with intel and only a couple of intel smartphones...?"

we have been thinking as a community so narrowly for so long that it now jeopardizes maemo's continued existence...

I rather am speaking of making maemo a proper distro . Get off the roller coaster to handheld oblivion.

Once a proper linux distribution ....
A- we aren't stuck on a one way lane to oblivion with a specific device or specific device line...like we are and have been now with the nxx0 line.

B- basing it on either debian or ubuntu we then have piles of current and maintained software of either debian or ubuntu at our disposal

C- we should also (as a consequence of "B" )...be able to more easily keep the distro updated and maintained.

D- We should also (as a consequence of "B" ) find ourselves with a larger pool of endusers and interested developers...who have no problem installing maemo onto their pc's ...(instead of the current situation where many couldn't be bothered with the hassle or ...the ever increasing reason...needing to find antiquated devices ..second hand ...if they are lucky ..)

E- Out of the handheld loop ...being an official distro provides us with breathing room...time to find compatible handheld devices...
We can hold out for however long is necessary...

IF we do nothing ..
or
IF we sit and wait for the right device...
or
IF we do our finest to warp maemo to fit a different handheld ...
or
IF maemo currently ...as a community....which quite obviously ...barely has the manpower to effect this leap to the next device ..and even manages to succeed ...and makes it...

if we run along this tangent and succeed ...
with any of these mentioned "IFs" ....

we are screwed .
the next device will be the last for maemo.
Full stop.

We won't have the numbers or the manpower to make it any further after that...

Some may balk at the idea of maemo on pc , laptop or laptop convertible ...
But after farting around with earlier work of moises ...
farting around with earlier work with maemo4 ...
and farting around even with VNC-ing maemo and my convertible m780...
(all of which just feels like a larger more readable screened version which performs quite well with stylus and finger ...surprisingly...)

Many may think different about what the end usage may feel like if they gave it a go...

Of course you couldn't put it in your pocket...
Of course you can't just give someone a call...

I consider this inconvenience for the continued survival of the os temporary.... until proper handhelds make themselves available to port back to. ...
At least we avoid out-and-out extinction and continue on.

Originally Posted by juiceme

I'd consider it odd to want to run android (or android-derivative OS) on anything... Weel you might have reasons which I don't understand.

I'm pretty happy if I'm able to run something sensible like Fre(e)mantle on it, or maybe just plain Devuan.

Originally Posted by Paspie

Android won the battle for developer participation, which means it has had almost a decade's worth of spit, polish and extensions.