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2017-08-22
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Anaaaannnnndddd
That is why we have alternative devices and os's....
I say let them bog it all up more...!
Please.. I hope they make an already ugly cumbersome dinosaur even more top heavy....
I hope ios and win do as well...
As is the wont of behemoth corps...
It just means that the quasi monopolistic triumvirate of crap...
falls that much faster ...
If Nokia can be bought...(or parts of it)
If BB can fall from grace...
Then ....for android ...it is only a matter of time...
That is why we have alternative devices and os's....
I say let them bog it all up more...!
Please.. I hope they make an already ugly cumbersome dinosaur even more top heavy....
I hope ios and win do as well...
As is the wont of behemoth corps...
It just means that the quasi monopolistic triumvirate of crap...
falls that much faster ...
If Nokia can be bought...(or parts of it)
If BB can fall from grace...
Then ....for android ...it is only a matter of time...
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Owner of :
1-n770 (in retirement), 3-n800's / 3-n810's (still in daily use), 5-n900's ((3 are flawless, 1 loose usb ( parts), 1 has no telephony (parts))
3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
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2017-08-22
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
Nice objective post I see.
Anaaaannnnndddd
That is why we have alternative devices and os's....
I say let them bog it all up more...!
Please.. I hope they make an already ugly cumbersome dinosaur even more top heavy....
I hope ios and win do as well...
As is the wont of behemoth corps...
It just means that the quasi monopolistic triumvirate of crap...
falls that much faster ...
If Nokia can be bought...(or parts of it)
If BB can fall from grace...
Then ....for android ...it is only a matter of time...
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by juiceme
I'm currently using an Android ROM without google play services. Android can be made less awful using things like Termux (adds linux utils with Linux style packaging on top of Android).
Think about the rigidness and weight of the whole concept, how it is a fragmented and torn piece-of-os...
However, every now and then I find something that makes me lose my cool. For example, in Android 6+ if you mount a USB drive with USB OTG, Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it. Instead it abstracts it using some API. All I wanted to do was move files from the phone to a flash drive! I would have been happy with a GUI method or a commandline method, but I couldn't find a path for the flash drive which is needed for both. Bloody nightmare.
I think that running those few Android bits that are necessary (i.e. apps that can't be replaced) on top of a proper Linux distro (i.e. SFOS) is generally less annoying than trying to rebuild linux on top of Android, because Android seems to be getting less and less linuxy.
Originally Posted by juiceme
Do you mean hobbyists? We don't write bad software on purpose
I see no merit in attracting allsorts of second rate wannabe crackers writing bad software, there is enough of that already in the world...
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
Not specifically hobbyists; at least I don't think it is hobbyists that create the millionth fartapp. (could be wrong though?)
Do you mean hobbyists? We don't write bad software on purpose
Now I must admit I don't have that much visibility in what goes around in android application world nowdays, but at least it used to be so that there are hundreds of applications that basically do the same thing (or even nothing useful at all) and some of those are just made to purpose of violating user's privacy.
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
Doesn't actually solve the real mount point problem but in the f-Droid repos(I assume you use it) the app Mountie(needs root) does a half-assed job of auto-adding a user accessible mount at /storage/emulated/0/mountie (emulated, sigh). With Amaze file manager(can do root) and FTP server(really!?!.. no scp?!) and you have a working system that works reasonably well to move files both wireless and USB-OTG. But yea, no real mount point.
However, every now and then I find something that makes me lose my cool. For example, in Android 6+ if you mount a USB drive with USB OTG, Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it. Instead it abstracts it using some API.
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2017-08-23
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Apologies for off topic stuff
* That would require rewriting all of the tagret FSes instead of writing a simple shim.
Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
I find it highly unlikely.* Have you diff'd /proc/mounts contents before and after attaching a drive?
Android doesn't actually create a linux mount for it.
* That would require rewriting all of the tagret FSes instead of writing a simple shim.
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by biketool
Thanks, that's actually what I tried - I use Amaze, and I get an error when I try and download/install mountie. Not sure if it's because it's incompatible or if it's something to do with my fdroid setup (I use the privileged extension, may need to re-flash that part).
Doesn't actually solve the real mount point problem but in the f-Droid repos(I assume you use it) the app Mountie(needs root) does a half-assed job of auto-adding a user accessible mount at /storage/emulated/0/mountie (emulated, sigh). With Amaze file manager(can do root) and FTP server(really!?!.. no scp?!) and you have a working system that works reasonably well to move files both wireless and USB-OTG. But yea, no real mount point.
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by hxka
I haven't, thanks for the suggestion, I will try it later. The point was mainly about it not mounting under /media or /mnt like it used to (can't remember which one).
Have you diff'd /proc/mounts contents before and after attaching a drive?
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2017-08-23
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Originally Posted by Feathers McGraw
By the way, some recent desktop distribution (Fedora with Gnome at least) don't mount automatically to /mnt ou /media anymore, but to /run/media/username/.
I haven't, thanks for the suggestion, I will try it later. The point was mainly about it not mounting under /media or /mnt like it used to (can't remember which one).
The reason is related to making it easier to have read-only filesystem, where most things that don't need persistence are moved to /run.
Not sure how far from that Android is.
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The only thorn that could potentially screw the platform is if Google starts to embed gapps into a new version of Android without GPL/copy-left components, and makes gapps a prerequisite for the system to run. I'm sure people who couldn't care less about closed source software would be very happy with fuss free security updates, but for the rest of us it would be horrible.
Last edited by Paspie; 2017-08-22 at 11:14.