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2009-11-23 , 23:32
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#21
Originally Posted by attila77 View Post
I think it has been discussed before (search fails me), simply put, (Nokia through) Ovi is a much juicier and tangible legal target than a community site (even if it is heavily sponsored by Nokia).
Okay... that answers from the desperate lawyer's perspective, but is that the only explanation? If so, it's a weak one (no offense to you Attila).
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Well, even the reason I mentioned above is speculation, and I don't think we'll se an official explanation Anyhow, it would REALLY help if we had some input from actual Ovi people. I certainly appreciate qgil pushing ideas/notes over to the Ovi team but they do seem a bit distant (and no, Forum Nokia is no better in that regard ). I personally find no incentive of having Open Source stuff on Ovi. I'd much rather see a better integration (improved Select if you wish) of Ovi and Extras without sacrificing what maemo.org already has and pushing Ovi into a place it maybe doesn't even really wants to go. Then again, if you have a good reason, I'm all ears
 

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Having a quick look at the requirements, I see there is a requirement to provide email support and answer in 5 days. What price are applications expected to sell for on OVI store? At prices I think are likely to work there a single support email could easily involve more support costs than the entire price (to the user) of the application.
 

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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
"maemo.org" is not a legal entity and it's definitely not "practically part of Nokia". In case of problems, "maemo.org" is legally nobody and any liabilities would be directed to Nokia. This is what Ovi wants to avoid.
i agree with you as it would push your sonys and samsungs away. it has to stay open to other companies.
 
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If you want to get official answers about Ovi publishing please ask the questions at http://wiki.maemo.org/Ovi_Store_publishing

Ovi and maemo.org coexist in our roadmaps, one being the face for "everybody" (default destination) and the other being a place for those willing to get involved in an open source community way.

Now, some OSS projects might be interested getting more exposure by being in Ovi in addition to (and not instead of) maemo.org Downloads.

Just like there might be commercial projects interested in maemo.org releases (in addition to their Ovi releases) in order to get user feedback or other forms of collaboration.

If nobody sees a point in using Ovi for OSS community apps then fair enough and one problem less.
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Now, some OSS projects might be interested getting more exposure by being in Ovi in addition to (and not instead of) maemo.org Downloads.
Isn't this why we have Maemo Select, though? This seems like an issue that Nokia should be solving by not heavily biasing how they advertise either distribution channel. In fact, I'd argue that all users should really see is the software (some free, some paid) and it shouldn't overly matter where it's coming from.
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Originally Posted by qgil View Post
Ovi and maemo.org coexist in our roadmaps, one being the face for "everybody" (default destination) and the other being a place for those willing to get involved in an open source community way.
My question is why does this choice have to be made at the user level ? For developers, sure, but if downloading a calculator is "getting involved in the open source community way", that's a mighty big wall there.

If nobody sees a point in using Ovi for OSS community apps then fair enough and one problem less.
I don't see the point of marginalizing OSS community apps (being 'that other stuff'). If they aren't marginalized, why go to Ovi ? If they are, why bother with Extras ?


EDIT: Or, to put it another way (closer to what GA said), why do you think that applications in Extras are not for "everybody" ?
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One assumption would be that by default users are lazy and if they find one place giving them everything relevant to them then they will prefer that over to having to search in two different places.

This is not an issue in the Application Manager but what about those preferring to browse normal web catalogs (a majority?)

It would be good to kknow the opinion of the developers of the most downloaded apps: http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/

Would be OMWeather interested in showing up at http://store.ovi.com/search?q=weather

AlmostTI at http://store.ovi.com/search?q=calculator

FM Radio at http://store.ovi.com/search?q=radio

eCoach at http://store.ovi.com/search?q=outdoors

Countdown widget at http://store.ovi.com/search?q=countdown

etc

Maemo Select is useful to manage dozens of recommendation but what about the day when you have hundreds of OSS apps in maemo.org Downloads and hundreds in Ovi Store?
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I'm really afraid to ask this, and it is probably a stupid question anyway--

but why is product liability an issue for Ovi.com, and not maemo.org?

In other words, why can a developer upload a particular app to Maemo Extras without needing insurance, but not Ovi?

I must be missing something truly profound here...
In case of non-open-source licenses, there might be an issue. Most free software licenses I know waive (is that the correct word here?) liability claims anyway.

Although I have no idea why you couldn't put that (not fit for any purpose, even if you think so) in your commercial license on ovi, too.
 

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This is not an issue in the Application Manager but what about those preferring to browse normal web catalogs (a majority?)
Then make the Application manager more prominent on the tablet, so that people don't even look at webpages for finding applications but use the Application Manager? For me that is a rather unique selling point - no "App Stores", but a local application.

It would be good to kknow the opinion of the developers of the most downloaded apps: http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/
Which then makes the other OSS applications second class citizens in an already fractured world (commercial apps via ovi vs. free apps via extras)? Why try to split the open source community?

Maemo Select is useful to manage dozens of recommendation but what about the day when you have hundreds of OSS apps in maemo.org Downloads and hundreds in Ovi Store?
Easy one. Try to find an automatic way to link to the packages in Extras through Ovi. This way every open source application which is in Extras gets exposure via ovi. This to me seems to be the only solution if ovi is supposed to be a/the one-stop-shop for the tablets.
 

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