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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
True... but isn't there a karma entropy factor involved, anyway? I know it was discussed...
Seeing as how itT went a long time without Thanks!, this metric is biased against older members.
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2010-01-13
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Hi penguinbait,
Good to see you back on the forums.
I agree with you; I think the karma for the posts is very low.
My main complaint is that "comments" and mailing list "discussion" are weighted much too highly.
But I also think active, popular apps should get more karma than they do.
Interestingly, most of the "thanks" karma is actually related to my app development. By using ITT / tmo as my bugzilla / discussion forum for my app(s), I generated "thanks" that were more about "thanks for the app" than "thanks for that helpful comment".
It well behooves app developers to use the forums to discuss their apps.
Good to see you back on the forums.
Originally Posted by penguinbait
You partly misunderstood my complaints (and I think those of VDVsx too).
So you received 35 karma for 1 app, and 75 karma for 5600 posts. And you think thats the app didnt receive enough karma compared to the posts? I guarantee people would agree your 5600 comments are worth far more than easy debian. Well at least half of the 5600 anyway
Then comes the thanks, you have 550 karma for thanks which you well earned in this forum.
I personally don't see a huge issue...
I agree with you; I think the karma for the posts is very low.
My main complaint is that "comments" and mailing list "discussion" are weighted much too highly.
But I also think active, popular apps should get more karma than they do.
Interestingly, most of the "thanks" karma is actually related to my app development. By using ITT / tmo as my bugzilla / discussion forum for my app(s), I generated "thanks" that were more about "thanks for the app" than "thanks for that helpful comment".
It well behooves app developers to use the forums to discuss their apps.
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2010-01-13
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Okay, since others are showing theirs, I'll show mine 
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Like GeneralAntilles said, karma can be a great personal motivator. My personal goal last year was to make it to the first page, which I did. Current goal is to stay there. 
I realized last year that posts and Thanks were not the way to do it, especially if there is an aging factor that causes karma to steadily roll off and need refreshing. So I put more effort into bugs and especially my blog. Paramount to the latter was gaging what the community wanted to read. I used thumb up/down feedback along with comments and newcomer analysis to identify useful topics, and it's paid off. My karma has actually advanced further than I had anticipated, and friendly competition has me periodically refocusing on the high karma (which *should* equal high value for the platform and/or community) activities.
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:Comments 74
Favourites 68.75
Blogs 148
Groups 12
Mediawiki edits 15
Itt posts 92
Itt thanks 480
Bugzilla comments 8
Bugzilla reported 48
Discussion 107
I realized last year that posts and Thanks were not the way to do it, especially if there is an aging factor that causes karma to steadily roll off and need refreshing. So I put more effort into bugs and especially my blog. Paramount to the latter was gaging what the community wanted to read. I used thumb up/down feedback along with comments and newcomer analysis to identify useful topics, and it's paid off. My karma has actually advanced further than I had anticipated, and friendly competition has me periodically refocusing on the high karma (which *should* equal high value for the platform and/or community) activities.
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by qole
The biggest problem with karma right now is that most of the individual values were determined at different times, often based on values which have since changed. There's no real integrated, overarching karma value system (i.e., 1 bug should equal 10 wiki edits, etc.). So don't take any of the current values as a slight against your preferred contribution area.
I agree with you; I think the karma for the posts is very low.
Thinking about it, we probably should avoid looking at the old values as much as possible. Let's get a new proposal put together from scratch.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I canNOT "plus" that enough!!!!!
The biggest problem with karma right now is that most of the individual values were determined at different times, often based on values which have since changed. There's no real integrated, overarching karma value system (i.e., 1 bug should equal 10 wiki edits, etc.). So don't take any of the current values as a slight against your preferred contribution area.
Thinking about it, we probably should avoid looking at the old values as much as possible. Let's get a new proposal put together from scratch.
where's the infinity sign....
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2010-01-13
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So assuming we put the current system to one side we start the debate again from scratch: what do we want to reward? and in what ratio to other contributions?
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by RevdKathy
Right, it makes sense to start there. Otherwise the cart gets stuck before the horse.
So assuming we put the current system to one side we start the debate again from scratch: what do we want to reward? and in what ratio to other contributions?
Purpose first.
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by Texrat
The purpose is clear. To have a system to quantify community involvement equally across measurable tasks.
Right, it makes sense to start there. Otherwise the cart gets stuck before the horse.
Purpose first.
Wiki, Mailiing lists, TMO, Apps, Bugzilla and the rest.
What to do with these numbers is outside the scope of the process of creating the system to quantify the community involvement.
The hard part is determining "what equals what" fairly to everyone's satisfaction IMO.
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2010-01-13
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Originally Posted by qole
I completely understand what your saying, as most of my thanks are related to my hackings or software I posted on ITT. I am not misunderstanding, I am just focusing on another aspect. The point of my initial post/email to council, was to outline just that fact. I do NOT want to adjust it so developers earn more than other contributors. I understand that maybe something needs to change to equalize the process, but not make in unbalanced in another direction.
Hi penguinbait,
Good to see you back on the forums.
I never left, I just have no n900, so I have not much I to say.
You partly misunderstood my complaints (and I think those of VDVsx too).
I agree with you; I think the karma for the posts is very low.
My main complaint is that "comments" and mailing list "discussion" are weighted much too highly.
But I also think active, popular apps should get more karma than they do.
Interestingly, most of the "thanks" karma is actually related to my app development. By using ITT / tmo as my bugzilla / discussion forum for my app(s), I generated "thanks" that were more about "thanks for the app" than "thanks for that helpful comment".
It well behooves app developers to use the forums to discuss their apps.
Proposed values
5 Stars app: Max. 300p
After 4 years I have a total of 437 Karma, I do not believe that it is fair to give up to 300 points of Karma for one application.
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
Mediawiki edits 2
Discussion 29
Comments 24
Favourites 2.5
Blogs 24
Products 119
Groups 9
Bugzilla reported 28
Itt thanks 185
Itt posts 28
Bugzilla comments 4
The main problems I'm seeing:
ITT Posts should be higher (I'm thinking more like 100).
Both Discussion and Comments should be lower, I think.
Products should be much higher. I wrote two applications from scratch, and yet got less karma for it than a few ITT Thanks.
I probably got more karma from blogging about my apps + announcements here than writing them. I spent well over 100 hours writing two applications from scratch (which both have 4.5 or higher rating on maemo.org) and get like 77 karma from them?
There is something wrong with that -- coding is contributing. The Products karma should be more like 1000 - 2000 if everything else stays in the same ratio.
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