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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
Well, I don't run with gamers of any stripe much, but I think those gamers are pretty distinct from th emulovin' Pandora's target market; They'll probably ditch it anyhow; I'm not gonna search for it, but there was a post somewhere asking "Will the Pandora have any games, or will it just run emulators?" I think that's the typical PC/console gamer's attitude, and I don't think Pandora's marketed to them at all.
People that play games as a primary goal seem more obsessed about apperance from what I see, they have those big tower cases with blue lights everywhere, and useless gauges. Games machines in general come in a variety of colours, which people seem to clamour for. The PSP seemed to get more popular when they redesigned the case a bit.
It seems to be pitching into a market where people are more concerned with form than normal.
Anyhow, I don't think it's all that ugly, but the clamshell form-factor limits it from my non-gaming perspective. (There's no way you can form a tablet, unlike slate, slider, or flippin' clamshell designs; and half the time the keyboard is in the way, since non-gaming applications tend (for me) to be either extremely light on keyboard, or heavy enough to usually have an external keyboard vs. chiclet...) It's great for games, I think, but I still think the N900 will be the way to go.
/me prays for binary compatibility (with extra libraries as needed) between the mad gods of OMAP3
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2008-03-31
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#23
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Originally Posted by Benson
Yes, this is what really excites me. Porting the Pandora efforts over to ITOS should be relatively simple if they're both OMAP3 and they both have OpenGL.
/me prays for binary compatibility (with extra libraries as needed) between the mad gods of OMAP3
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2008-03-31
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#24
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
What'll be annoying is having to map the keys to the touch screen, and map it well. The N900 will probably have a keyboard, but that's lame :/
Yes, this is what really excites me. Porting the Pandora efforts over to ITOS should be relatively simple if they're both OMAP3 and they both have OpenGL.
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by Navi
True enough, but a Wiimote and/or a Bluetooth keyboard could get us through.
What'll be annoying is having to map the keys to the touch screen, and map it well. The N900 will probably have a keyboard, but that's lame :/
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2008-03-31
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#26
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Originally Posted by drizek
Not gonna happen.
We will continue to speculate unless you post pictures.
But my point has to do with probability, which as any good math student understands, doesn't require pictures.
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2008-03-31
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Considering that Nokia is putting a lot of steam into the N800 series, I for one doubt we will see an N900 for a reasonable time. Each new tablet attracts potential new owners, and early adopters get pretty annoyed when a new product becomes obsolete two months after its release. Nokia could breathe tons of life into this product simply by software fixes.
(Look at the iPhone, for example -- if it ran today's Maemo, it would not be worshipped as it is now).
(Look at the iPhone, for example -- if it ran today's Maemo, it would not be worshipped as it is now).
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by Picklesworth
Once they've settled on a hardware design, I think that's true. A more featureful hardware design leads to a need to place those features in a useable manner. And, I don't think many people consider the N810 design to be a final version of that layout.
Considering that Nokia is putting a lot of steam into the N800 series, I for one doubt we will see an N900 for a reasonable time. Each new tablet attracts potential new owners, and early adopters get pretty annoyed when a new product becomes obsolete two months after its release. Nokia could breathe tons of life into this product simply by software fixes.
The reason the iPhone doesn't have to worry about that is: there's nothing to re-arrange into a better usability design. What are they gonna do, move the button around? :-)
The only things the iPhone and iTouch have to worry about, for future generations, is radios. The iPhone needs a 3G radio at some point, and the iTouch needs a Bluetooth radio (or to enable the one that some people think is already in there).
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2008-03-31
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#29
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
As has been noted elsewhere, the Pandora's target "market" is the portable emulation scene, a wonderful and weird world (ask Arnim/Pupnik).
Which is a noble enough goal, and how things should generally be, but it isn't really how things get bought though.
Presumably if they don't sell enough of these or no-one ports any software across* the platform dies, like so many before it, don't they?
People that play games as a primary goal seem more obsessed about apperance from what I see, they have those big tower cases with blue lights everywhere, and useless gauges. Games machines in general come in a variety of colours, which people seem to clamour for. The PSP seemed to get more popular when they redesigned the case a bit.
It seems to be pitching into a market where people are more concerned with form than normal.
* Excuse my ignorance on the pandora, apart from your sig I have heard nothing about them, so I don't know if there is already the software or what they run.
Then again, from discussions and polls it has become clear that many (if not most) see the Pandora as an UMPC/PMP/Itablet/games console, a variety of tasks which fits the hardware like a spray-on glove.
There have been discussions about the clumsiness/usefullness of the keyboard, all of which have been settled in favour of the current design (with even videos of ergonomic tryouts with mockups of the Pandora).
It is important to remember that the Pandora is very much like the OpenMoko project, in that it is designed almost from the ground up with intensive cooperation from and dialogue with the community. It will run Linux, it will be unbrickable and it will be extremely hacker-friendly, up to and including easily accessible solder spots on the motherboard for the terminally insa^H^H^H^H h4X0rz.
I've never hidden my preference for a "pure" tablet device, without keyboard and relying on HWR input only, but I've come to realize that Linux developers are either not interested in or don't have the skills to produce a mature HWR application and the physical layout of the N810 abhors me, so I'm going for a Pandora; it has the added benefit that the clamshell is in effect a screen cover on its own.
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Watch out Nokia, Pandora's box has opened (sorta)...
I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/
Watch out Nokia, Pandora's box has opened (sorta)...
I do love explaining cryptic sigs, but for the impatient: http://www.openpandora.org/
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2008-03-31
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Is such a thing even possible?
Pandora is very much like the OpenMoko project, in that it is designed almost from the ground up with intensive cooperation from and dialogue with the community. It will run Linux, it will be unbrickable
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I don't agree. It merely emphasizes the fact that the product isn't all there. To get it to do what is useful, you have to break the product instead of using it as it is intended. With the NITs, you're working with the product, not against it.