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2008-10-03
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Clinton lied about getting head in the oval office. Now if lying under oath about felatio is a high crime, then someone please explain to me how admitting, on record, at a news conference that the president has broken the 4th Amendment and the FISA statutes, is not impeachable.
It's not a waste of time, it is about protecting the constitution. If the president can break the law and violate the constitutional rights of every citizen, then what the hell is the point of the Oath of Office which stipulates the upholding of the constitution?
It's not a waste of time, it is about protecting the constitution. If the president can break the law and violate the constitutional rights of every citizen, then what the hell is the point of the Oath of Office which stipulates the upholding of the constitution?
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by Texrat
For it to work right, it would have to be an honest devil's advocate. while there are plenty of devils around Washington, there have been no sightings of honest devils in recent history. Hence, no honest devil's advocates.
I would hope every president would have at least one devil's advocate on staff. If nothing else than to check groupthink and demagoguery.
I know, I know: keep dreaming.
Getting someone with a party as well as ideological stake against you and letting them in on plans is going to cause way too much trouble.
OTOH, you might reasonably hope they'd have a bi-partisan-loathing libertarian about. Somehow I doubt it; maybe they've tried, but the libertarians always give up and run away screaming.
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by Aisu
You're assuming again that the rhetoric can and does translate into direct and equivalent action.
If hell is where we go when those who mean well are in charge, I assume dust is what we'll be when those with malign intents (those against the will of the people whom they represent and govern) grasp power.
Cutting taxes, raising the standard of living, killing the state debt, and ripping the federal gov't's hand out of the state's reserved powers? Not a bad deal. What problems do you mean...?
Too often, it does not. Especially when it's put forth by... politicians (which Palin most assuredly is).
And to get truly acquainted with candidate Palin, start here:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...y_on_palin.htm
http://washingtonindependent.com/367...form-candidate
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by sondjata
Well, admitting it isn't impeachable. Doing it in the first place, sure.
Clinton lied about getting head in the oval office. Now if lying under oath about felatio is a high crime, then someone please explain to me how admitting, on record, at a news conference that the president has broken the 4th Amendment and the FISA statutes, is not impeachable.
It's not a waste of time, it is about protecting the constitution. If the president can break the law and violate the constitutional rights of every citizen, then what the hell is the point of the Oath of Office which stipulates the upholding of the constitution?
It might be about protecting the Constitution, if it worked. (Though it would probably merely indicate that Party A controls the presidency, Party B strongly holds the Senate, and Party B wants the VP in for some reason.) Since it doesn't work, it is in fact a waste of time. Although my tendency is to call anything that makes the Senate waste time a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Benson
Colin Powell came really close. He lost some respect from me when he went against his better judgment and read the Iraq invasion "rationale" at the UN, but regained it by resigning. I think he has much more integrity than most people involved in Washington politics.
For it to work right, it would have to be an honest devil's advocate. while there are plenty of devils around Washington, there have been no sightings of honest devils in recent history. Hence, no honest devil's advocates.
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by Benson
I mentioned the admission because it provides irrefutable evidence that it was done and done intentionally and would be admissible in court.
Well, admitting it isn't impeachable. Doing it in the first place, sure.
In some areas, including Presidential impeachment, the interparty tension dominates over the inter-branch tension intended, so things don't work right; Senators are more concerned with blocking the other party from power than blocking the Oval Office from gaining power. That makes it a waste of time in the current climate. Rest assured neither the pro-president nor anti-president sides (now or with Clinton) are doing it for the Constitution's sake; it's all partisan.
It might be about protecting the Constitution, if it worked. (Though it would probably merely indicate that Party A controls the presidency, Party B strongly holds the Senate, and Party B wants the VP in for some reason.) Since it doesn't work, it is in fact a waste of time. Although my tendency is to call anything that makes the Senate waste time a good thing.
It is exactly the party BS that I have a problem with. It should be clear, regardless of party that breaking the law to the extent that this president has ought to have lead to impeachment. No need for long *** drawn out debates. Knock him off and give Cheney a serious warning. If the people in Congress cannot be trusted to follow the constitution then they are of no use.
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2008-10-03
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Beautifully put, sondjata. Glad to see a fellow iconoclast here.
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2008-10-03
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Still... regarding Patriots vs. genius.
I'm sure General G. A. Custer was a patriot.
By smart I mean, someone who has applied themselves to the task at hand. Perhaps sees a mission to provide for the greater good. Not someone who has "been at this for like 5 weeks". With the 4 weeks remaining that would be 9 in total.
The winner of American Idol has to endure a longer, and more examined route to the top I think.
The ambition of this person is scary. The fact that she is confident that she could run this country if required to do so is scary. I'm afraid that if they do win the first thing she would do is try to have Grandpa John committed, LoL.
As far as Biden being a politician is concearned... He is also a statesman. We need more senior statesman.
The next president is going to have his hands full domestically and needs a VP who could travel the world to shore up what reputation we still have.
On a side note: I found it strange that she asked Biden if she could call him "Joe" at the onset, yet I think only called him Joe once... and that was while mocking him using perhaps a rehearsed line.
I'm sure General G. A. Custer was a patriot.
By smart I mean, someone who has applied themselves to the task at hand. Perhaps sees a mission to provide for the greater good. Not someone who has "been at this for like 5 weeks". With the 4 weeks remaining that would be 9 in total.
The winner of American Idol has to endure a longer, and more examined route to the top I think.
The ambition of this person is scary. The fact that she is confident that she could run this country if required to do so is scary. I'm afraid that if they do win the first thing she would do is try to have Grandpa John committed, LoL.
As far as Biden being a politician is concearned... He is also a statesman. We need more senior statesman.
The next president is going to have his hands full domestically and needs a VP who could travel the world to shore up what reputation we still have.
On a side note: I found it strange that she asked Biden if she could call him "Joe" at the onset, yet I think only called him Joe once... and that was while mocking him using perhaps a rehearsed line.
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2008-10-03
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I'm not assuming anything except that she'll do the same thing in DC that she did at home. Do what she (and McCain, and the GOP) thinks is best, and get rid of anything or anyone that will prevent that.
You're assuming again that the rhetoric can and does translate into direct and equivalent action.
Too often, it does not. Especially when it's put forth by... politicians (which Palin most assuredly is).
I will certainly laugh if she really does brow beat some of the old fellas on capitol hill right of office!
Originally Posted by Texrat
She got rid of old that was in her way and she carried out the will of the (majority) of the people. She made the GOP and the Oil companies listen to her voice (Alaska's voice). That's ruthless. That's great. That's politics.
And to get truly acquainted with candidate Palin, start here:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...y_on_palin.htm
http://washingtonindependent.com/367...form-candidate
The people she got rid of should *not* be politicians by profession, anyway
Get out of the kitchen...I'm just playing the devil's advocate (
) with all this anyway, I can't vote, and wouldn't vote for this ticket. But, I like to hear what people have to say... and... can you think of a better way to get people to talk?/rant/ - feel free to skip
I just wish we had someone with common sense, patriotism, AND kohanes that was running! I want a Thomas Jefferson or an FDR, damnit! Not these whiny politicians who do what they're told by their friends. Someone who loves the country (whether it is worthy of love or not!) and puts it first.
Someone who will stop lending money we don't have, and collect the debts other countries owe US! Someone who will REALLY do what the people want!
Give us a new deal! Start building more dams, solar plants, and wind farms with American labor! Drill here! Create jobs on the federal payroll that DON'T INVOLVE BUREAUCRATS! Put higher tariffs on imports and encourage exports! And encourage farmers to grow food and NOT DESTROY IT just to raise the price!
We've recovered from recessions and depressions, and look at how it was done! A "bailout" is not it! New industry and new jobs is how. Look at the Deals for the American people! Read a history book!
ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION!
That means getting rid of the income tax, the department of education, and taking away powers that the federal government has stolen from the states! And taking away a LOAD of authority from the Judiciary branch that they DON'T HAVE under the Constitution!
Why is there no one running on THAT platform?? On Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson's platform? The Constitution was meant to LIMIT gov't power and PROTECT the people. Not the other way around like it is now.
Why will no one step up? Maybe I'm just too young and too stupid, but I just want someone who will do the right thing. Is that so much to ask?
Henry was right about one thing. I can now smell that rat, too.
/breathes/ /rant over/
Really sorry about that one... it... slipped...
Cutting taxes, raising the standard of living, killing the state debt, and ripping the federal gov't's hand out of the state's reserved powers? Not a bad deal. What problems do you mean...?