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2008-11-20
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Yes yes yes, you're a hero because you can run everything above in emacs. 
The point is, someone says you can't do anything with a non-jailbroken touch. This is not only wrong, but you can do tons more than with a somewhat wide-open n8x0.
But you're the kinda guy that thinks that PocketInformant is the equivalent of cat "appointment" > file & grep `date` -. mCalendar, GPE Calendar and Erminig? Hey if you like broken sync and stacks of duplicate appointments go for it!
And don't knock Virtual Pool till you've tried it. Amazingly good 3D game. If you think you can port FooBillard to Maemo then hey go crazy. I'd love to see it. Maybe I'd send you the $2.99 instead of buying it off Apple's store! $10?
I've tried both devices extensively, I'm not just spouting here. I love the bluetooth on the n800. The wifi is better. It's also slower, thicker and kludgier. The browser is way better. Multitasking works. No Java. The camera is ******ed. Scratchbox (yikes).
The iPod Touch is actually pocket size, or smaller, has way way way more software no matter what wacky Martian numbering system tso counts in, amazing SMART rendering for a small screen (just zoom in! Its ten times quicker than waiting several minutes for evince). The mail works, browser works, music works REALLY WELL. What stinks is: no copy and paste. Sandboxes for apps. No file storage. No bluetooth. Limited application sync options. No Java. No camera (******ed or not). XCode + SDK (yikes).
I hear so much "wait for Fremantle!" these these days but I just know it's going to involve buying another product... if I buy another product though, I think I know what it's going to be...
For now, I have a fading scrap of hope that I can get some bit of functionality out of this unit. liqbase, maemopad+, notecase, and FeedCircuit are saving my sanity, for now.
The point is, someone says you can't do anything with a non-jailbroken touch. This is not only wrong, but you can do tons more than with a somewhat wide-open n8x0.
But you're the kinda guy that thinks that PocketInformant is the equivalent of cat "appointment" > file & grep `date` -. mCalendar, GPE Calendar and Erminig? Hey if you like broken sync and stacks of duplicate appointments go for it!
And don't knock Virtual Pool till you've tried it. Amazingly good 3D game. If you think you can port FooBillard to Maemo then hey go crazy. I'd love to see it. Maybe I'd send you the $2.99 instead of buying it off Apple's store! $10?
I've tried both devices extensively, I'm not just spouting here. I love the bluetooth on the n800. The wifi is better. It's also slower, thicker and kludgier. The browser is way better. Multitasking works. No Java. The camera is ******ed. Scratchbox (yikes).
The iPod Touch is actually pocket size, or smaller, has way way way more software no matter what wacky Martian numbering system tso counts in, amazing SMART rendering for a small screen (just zoom in! Its ten times quicker than waiting several minutes for evince). The mail works, browser works, music works REALLY WELL. What stinks is: no copy and paste. Sandboxes for apps. No file storage. No bluetooth. Limited application sync options. No Java. No camera (******ed or not). XCode + SDK (yikes).
I hear so much "wait for Fremantle!" these these days but I just know it's going to involve buying another product... if I buy another product though, I think I know what it's going to be...
For now, I have a fading scrap of hope that I can get some bit of functionality out of this unit. liqbase, maemopad+, notecase, and FeedCircuit are saving my sanity, for now.
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-ball
1) Virtual Pool (uh.. wtf?)
8) iSilo (dunno what this is)
http://www.isilo.com/
Last edited by tso; 2008-11-20 at 04:19.
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
cute
has way way way more software no matter what wacky Martian numbering system tso counts in
quality over quantity. altho i guess a bit of natural selection helps at times...
but how many "flashlight" apps do one really need?
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
At this point I know trying to have a civil talk is pointless with you. Try not to use baseless accusations next time and maybe people will listen.
Yes yes yes, you're a hero because you can run everything above in emacs.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Sorry if I offended, but my point was, as I stated, that an unjailbroken Touch gave us a LOT of desired functionality.
At this point I know trying to have a civil talk is pointless with you. Try not to use baseless accusations next time and maybe people will listen.
I really didn't want to hear the "x is good enough" argument again, because that's not what the topic was about, was it?
What exactly did you read as an accusation?
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2008-11-20
, 14:40
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I have one and use it for medical software. It's design is such that it can easily be operated one handed and wiped down to sterilize it after use.
I'm pretty into it, it's beautifully designed. You can't really compare it to the N800/810 though, they're totally different animals and both have a place in my day to day kit!
I'm pretty into it, it's beautifully designed. You can't really compare it to the N800/810 though, they're totally different animals and both have a place in my day to day kit!
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by BoxOfSnoo
Sorry if I offended, but my point was, as I stated, that an unjailbroken Touch gave us a LOT of desired functionality.
I really didn't want to hear the "x is good enough" argument again, because that's not what the topic was about, was it?
What exactly did you read as an accusation?
Yes yes yes, you're a hero because you can run everything above in emacs.
But you're the kinda guy that thinks that PocketInformant is the equivalent of cat "appointment" > file & grep `date` -. mCalendar, GPE Calendar and Erminig? Hey if you like broken sync and stacks of duplicate appointments go for it!
And I don't disagree that a unjailbroken iPod touch / iPhone doesn't offer alot of functionality. It does in fact, I've seen alot of the useful apps (and trash apps). And we even agree on some of the pros and cons of each device. But what I'm saying is, for me I could never find it useful compared to my internet tablet for what I do with it. To do what I do on the internet tablet on an iPhone or iPod touch would require jailbreaking.
Not to mention there are plenty of useful apps that can be accessed by jailbreaking that Apple would never let on their store. And as much as I love playing around with devices, it does get irritating whenever a firmware update comes around *cough* Nintendo *cough*. Even with Nokia's updates that occasionally break my dual boot. That's annoying.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2008-11-20
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Yeah accusing you of emacs-ism was a bit harsh. Sorry about that
I don't use emacs. While I do understand the power of the terminal, I like a GUI just as much as the next guy.
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I had horrible problems with erminig. It almost ruined my calendar. I tried to help by reporting bugs, but I can't afford that time. Despite some serious effort to develop it, it's struggling; I view it as a bandaid solution - GPE calendar isn't that great, and, again, with loads of evident work and effort, isn't getting anywhere. I blame the "committee design". I've seen a few times on the mailing list someone propose an idea (with code) and it either goes nowhere or gets squashed.
I've never found the sync broken, and the only problem I have with mcalendar now is that it downloads ALL of my Google Calendars (which is annoying so I'm waiting on the update) >.<. But Erminig does the job quite nicely without any issues so far.
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I am almost tempted to get both, and use the n800 for laptop-y things. I know what would happen though, is that I'd realize the laptop-y things can usually wait until I get home, and I just wouldn't use the n800 at all. I'm not ready to cut that cord yet.
But what I'm saying is, for me I could never find it useful compared to my internet tablet for what I do with it. To do what I do on the internet tablet on an iPhone or iPod touch would require jailbreaking.
P.S. Keep laughing...!
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2008-11-20
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my two cents: I am switching to evil apple asap. the nokia was a disappointment (please dont't jump at me, this is how I feel). it is a tad too big and just not responsive enough. responsiveness is high on my list. it struggles for everything it does. it is just frustrating. I dont consider my self a very demanding user and I do like linux. oh, the fact that the build quality of the device I got from the ny nokia store was horrible (I hadent seen anything so badly manufactured before) played a big part in me feeling cheated out of my money. I still use the hell out of it and will continue to use it until I m able to replace it, it is just that I have never recommended it to anyone who asked.
2) An accounting/cash management app (homebank, I can even sync the database with my Linux boxes.. very nice).
3) Checklist/shopping apps (I use notecase, again I can sync the databases. I use to use online websites but I like having offline capability as well)
4) a todo list that works, with more advanced ones (i.e. Things) available (how advanced do you need? I'm fine with notecase.. I use to do todos on rememberthemilk but I found it was inefficient)
5) Calendars that work (though simple, PocketInformant is on the way, huzzah!) (Mcalendar and calendar + erming). Syncs with Google calendar just fine
6) Fring (Fring)
7) Speed - PDF reading and zooming is very pleasant! (ok, but the small screen bugs me)
8) iSilo (dunno what this is)
9) Commercial developers willing to commit (see #9) (ok)
10) Great music and video management (meh, that's dependent on the user. I HATE HATE HATE iTunes. To me it's the worse music and video management out there, especially how they decide to create a seperate database when I already have my files organized). Btw, can you even drag and drop files into the iPod Touch / iPhone? Or do you have to use iTunes if you want it to show up in the media programs and what not? If so that's a weakness in my view (again it could be a strength to another). Especially as a primary Linux user (no iTunes and I don't feel like booting into Vista to use it).
Open source has helped plenty. Applications can be ported over from Linux already (in fact some of the ones used like homebank were). Then you also have projects like KDE and Debian porting which although a little slow (remember the processor of the tablet is like a Pentium P2. So if they n800 were given similar specs as the iPhone then it would be faster [thus n900 series?]) it brings alot of capability to the tablet. So again, I repeat.. to me an iPhone and iPod touch is only useful to me when I can jailbreak it (but my uses are alot different then most common users).
I'm personally looking forward to Android's development. It has the pros of the iPhone/iPod touch + the open sourceness and freedom that Linux provides.