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2009-05-13 , 23:21
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#21
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* Accesssibility for blind/partially-sighted users, or those with JavaScript turned off/unavailable, will suck.
If JS is turned off, they won't see much of anything right now in maemo.org and tmo.

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* Search engines won't cope well with the AJAX/iframe included content if it's done on the browser side.
No need for search engines to crawl the comments that are displayed via ajax as the actual text will get crawled direct from tmo anyway.

Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
* Pages could appear somewhat "oddly", as the content gets loaded and then the comments underneath.
Maybe a fixed height with a vertical scrollbar?

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* I most use the "quick reply" function - not having something similar on downloads/brainstorm/news would really hurt usability IMHO
*Without account synchronisation/linking for a lot of people (let alone SSO), I worry about the usability of trying to transparently present two systems as one. Username differences and how flexible are the ITT/talk profile URLs in a maemo.org account? Lots of possiblity for user error.
How about allowing anonymous replies? This will not be globally throughout tmo, but just for forums that are linked to maemo.org articles and apps.

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* How do we ensure that the context of the brainstorm/download/news page is presented when users just view through tmo? The Wordpress article copied the text - which seemed to work quite well for text-heavy stuff like blog posts; but what about downloads?
On the short-lived itT Software Section, what I dis was, everytime a developer changes the app's version, a new discussion thread gets created, displaying the short description of the app, as well as text of changes made on the current version.
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#22
Originally Posted by qgil View Post
There has been a first round of internal testing to polish the roughest edges before calling it an alpha and publish the super-secret URL here for wider feedback.
We had a meeting related to this and other stuff with Tero today, and the plan is to open up the super-secret URL this week so we can get comments from a wider audience.

Dave is working on the plan about the workflow, and hopefully that will be published soon, so we can discuss not only the software side of Brainstorm, but the human and procedure side of it too.

As for using the Talk infrastructure for handling all maemo.org discussions (I'd take this to Downloads and News as well once we're at it)...

Definitely a good idea. Here we have a much more active discussion community than on the main site. And this way members would have only a single location to monitor for new comments and discussion.

However, as such integration requires both the SSO to be in place, and some other tasks, I'd propose first launching Brainstorm with in-site comments and later switching all commenting to use Talk.

Otherwise the Brainstorm launch will be overloaded with Talk-related issues, stealing focus from the actual point of idea brainstorming.
 

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Originally Posted by Reggie View Post
Now if you are concerned about multiple queries on Talk's database then don't run queries. Let me feed you data and render them asynchronously (ajax), just after the whole page is rendered. I see that you are running jQuery on maemo.org. It should work nicely.
I'm not really eager about making comments just a JS widget... tools like Disqus are IMO quite clunky, as anyway then the comments interaction is "outside the site itself" which will not feel very natural or integrated.

What I'd do instead is make maemo.org synchronize the comments between a thread in Midgard database and the Talk database. This way users can comment and read via both interfaces.

See our current data model, it'd be easy to add a "Talk thread ID" for each item. Now we track commenting threads based on object GUID that is being commented as the comments widget in Midgard can be attached to any content type.
 

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Originally Posted by bergie View Post
I'm not really eager about making comments just a JS widget... tools like Disqus are IMO quite clunky, as anyway then the comments interaction is "outside the site itself" which will not feel very natural or integrated.
I agree that Disqus is clunky. It can be done better though. You can see better integration on say YouTube video comments (comments refresh when changing pages) and CNN videos (list of videos below refreshes based on category you pick).

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What I'd do instead is make maemo.org synchronize the comments between a thread in Midgard database and the Talk database. This way users can comment and read via both interfaces.
This can be done. A potential problem that I see here is the bi-directional synchronization. A version upgrade on either Midgrad or vBulletin can easily create potential problems. I am for bridging systems but the lesser functionality on the bridge component, the better.

Going back to quim's main post, what is stopping us on dropping the current Midgrad comment system and moving all the discussion (news, downloads, brainstorm) in Talk?
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Going back to quim's main post, what is stopping us on dropping the current Midgrad comment system and moving all the discussion (news, downloads, brainstorm) in Talk?
Nothing in particular, it just needs to be planned and implemented properly. And even better if SSO is in place by then.
 
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