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yukop4 is offline yukop4
2009-06-23 , 12:57
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#21
One more thing: When you use "I" as the nominative singular pronoun it really needs to be capitalized.

"S M C"
 
yukop4 is offline yukop4
2009-06-23 , 13:09
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#23
this from the forum in 2007

still no fix

interesting update: I got A2DP working on my old Zaurus C1000 (XScale @ 416MHz) with a USB bluetooth dongle. Plays back smoothly with ~15-20% CPU usage. Somehow there is definitely a software issue with A2DP on the N8x0 w/ 2008OS. I'll be doing further research. I wonder if it's mplayer, bluez or alsa though...

Edit: On the Zaurus it's also quite a bit more resilient while I'm loading down the machine with lots of other CPU intensive tasks and doesn't even skip when heavily swapping to the SD card.

Edit: I did a couple quick tests of mplayer playing to my bluetooth headphones on 3 machines (Zaurus, N800 and my desktop). The Zaurus and the Desktop were both using the same usb bluetooth 1.2 dongle since I only have one.
Code:

--Zaurus SL-C1000 (bluez 3.23, Linux 2.6.22)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.15
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 1024
alsa-init: fragcount=6
alsa-init: got buffersize=24576
alsa-init: got period size 1024

--Nokia N800 (bluez 3.22, Linux 2.6.21)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.14a
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opend in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 128
alsa-init: fragcount=16
alsa-init: got buffersize=8192
alsa-init: got period size 128

--Desktop PC Athlon 64 3000+ (bluez 3.23, Linux 2.6.22)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.14a
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 1024
alsa-init: fragcount=6
alsa-init: got buffersize=24576
alsa-init: got period size 1024

The buffersize on the N800 looks quite low, comparatively. And to top it off the frequent complaints about "broken pipe" and "trying to reset soundcard" seem to happen on the other platforms mostly under high load when the buffer would be most likely to be empty. I wonder if this might be connected to the other issues the mplayer guys are having with alsa...

-John
 
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2009-06-23 , 13:32
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#24
Originally Posted by yukop4 View Post
this from the forum in 2007

still no fix

interesting update: I got A2DP working on my old Zaurus C1000 (XScale @ 416MHz) with a USB bluetooth dongle. Plays back smoothly with ~15-20% CPU usage. Somehow there is definitely a software issue with A2DP on the N8x0 w/ 2008OS. I'll be doing further research. I wonder if it's mplayer, bluez or alsa though...

Edit: On the Zaurus it's also quite a bit more resilient while I'm loading down the machine with lots of other CPU intensive tasks and doesn't even skip when heavily swapping to the SD card.

Edit: I did a couple quick tests of mplayer playing to my bluetooth headphones on 3 machines (Zaurus, N800 and my desktop). The Zaurus and the Desktop were both using the same usb bluetooth 1.2 dongle since I only have one.
Code:

--Zaurus SL-C1000 (bluez 3.23, Linux 2.6.22)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.15
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 1024
alsa-init: fragcount=6
alsa-init: got buffersize=24576
alsa-init: got period size 1024

--Nokia N800 (bluez 3.22, Linux 2.6.21)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.14a
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opend in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 128
alsa-init: fragcount=16
alsa-init: got buffersize=8192
alsa-init: got period size 128

--Desktop PC Athlon 64 3000+ (bluez 3.23, Linux 2.6.22)
alsa-init: requested format: 44100 Hz, 2 channels, 9
alsa-init: using ALSA 1.0.14a
alsa-init: setup for 1/2 channel(s)
alsa-init: using device bluetooth
alsa-init: pcm opened in blocking mode
alsa-init: chunksize set to 1024
alsa-init: fragcount=6
alsa-init: got buffersize=24576
alsa-init: got period size 1024

The buffersize on the N800 looks quite low, comparatively. And to top it off the frequent complaints about "broken pipe" and "trying to reset soundcard" seem to happen on the other platforms mostly under high load when the buffer would be most likely to be empty. I wonder if this might be connected to the other issues the mplayer guys are having with alsa...

-John
Yup... Then send them back John.

...if you are not "John", how are we to know without the use of the quote tag in your post...
 
wklink is offline wklink
2009-06-23 , 13:56
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#25
Originally Posted by yukop4 View Post
this from the forum in 2007

... The buffersize on the N800 ...
Are you talking about N810 or N800? Nokia doesn't even claim the N800 will support it, so that post is irrelevant.

Anyways, you come here to a free user support forum screaming and complaining. There are people here that can help you. If you don't like your product, send your complaint to Nokia.

An internet tablet is a lot more like a computer than a cell phone. You really are expected to be able to install software and follow some additional directions. Heck, even Windows 98 used to require you install additional drivers to get USB working. I'm sorry if that's not what you expected, but Nokia has all the appropriate disclaimers about software compatibility. The hardware is compatible.

I originally bought my A2DP headset to work with my Palm T|X. It worked, but it actually required that I pay for additional software (Softick AudioGateway, works great on palm BTW). Your N810 can be made to work with BT stereo headsets and it can be done for FREE.
 
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2009-06-23 , 13:58
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#26
Originally Posted by yukop4 View Post
f you need them to work - right now, plug the wire in and use them.

no -they must work as advertised

if you do not get the principle

do yourself a favour

go to google and type in "md-7w speakers compatiable "and see how sites come up claiming they are compaiable via wireless

do it -right now
i agree, but have you contacted nokia or your supplier and got a refund because this particular combination does not work?
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2009-06-23 , 15:31
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I would get the refund and consider this a misunderstanding. Trust... I've been waiting on true, Nokia supported A2DP for my N810 since the beginning.

Oh well... I got it for my iPhone now though. hmm :-/
 
yukop4 is offline yukop4
2009-06-23 , 21:05
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#28
gerbick

thats my point-nokia are using this site for free product development

you buy the nokia n810 -i also own the n800-and they claim that the a2dp works

the fact is it is half baked and does not work

they must fix the problem or retract their claims

the fact is this problem has been around since 2007

and it still does not work

i would have expected 100% support from members of this site and i get personal attacks instead
 
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2009-06-23 , 23:59
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#29
Originally Posted by yukop4 View Post
i would have expected 100% support from members of this site and i get personal attacks instead
This is a free and volunteer forum. It is not operated or controlled by Nokia. The amount of help you get is a direct function of your own attitude.

I've tried to help you and I get nothing out of it. I do so only because I've found this site helpful myself (and I've never had to ask, everything I've told you was always just a search away).

I've shown you exactly where to go to find the results and all I've heard back was whining about how you want it now and you demand it be pre-installed and ready to roll. I don't work for Nokia so I can't give you a refund or change their website or do anything else you demand.

I will point out that, IMHO, Nokia is correct in as much as the hardware is A2DP compatible. That's pretty much all I ever expect from a hardware manufacturer. It would be nice if they provided the software, but they're not really under any obligation to do so. As I said, I had to pay for a driver for my Palm device (as with most Palm software), so spending a little leg work to get something free feels like a good deal to me. You're free to disagree, but you're just spitting in the wind if you do so anymore here. If you want help, I'll tell you what I tell my six-year-old: "don't whine and say please and thank you."
 

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2009-06-24 , 01:15
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Originally Posted by yukop4 View Post
gerbick

thats my point-nokia are using this site for free product development

you buy the nokia n810 -i also own the n800-and they claim that the a2dp works

the fact is it is half baked and does not work

they must fix the problem or retract their claims

the fact is this problem has been around since 2007

and it still does not work

i would have expected 100% support from members of this site and i get personal attacks instead
I didn't personally attack you; I hope you can acknowledge that.

I understand that you feel slighted; however as it stands, I was sold that the N810 would have a GPS that I would actually use.

It rarely locks in quick enough for me to consider using.

As far as fixing the problem; you're preaching to a bunch of (I'm sorry to say this) fanboys that worship closely at the holy temple of Nokia and shun all else that's not Nokia or Maemo.

Heck, I'm a "traitor" - Zune mp3 player, iPhone 3G... and a love for things that rhyme with "Sindows" (as well as Mac) - and yet I think what you should take from above is that we've all been there, done that and you're preaching to the choir.

We all have something that's been said to us by either Nokia or some other company - Sony runs a very close second, they HAVE to - and people are upset about some claim. They make mistakese. It's just better when you go down the right avenues to get it solved.

I know... it sucks. But it's not a personal attack when people say "get a refund". Just don't sit on it too long. I still have a 770 I'm holding off on hoping that I'll have an easier way to install something on it that I'll use.

Ain't gonna happen. Damn.
 
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