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2009-09-16
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It lil too big to be lugging around... Not that the implementation on android for apps and the archos own media platform is not slick cuz it def is... I want flash as the browser with the 3440 powering the system looks very quick! That's sexy! 4.8 I would need a bag! But it looks so fast lol I already own 4 phones running the current major os'es... Another tempting device!
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2009-09-16
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Originally Posted by MSchievelbein
would you mind linking?
The other boards are already confirming that the base Android OS and certain apps are integrated into the flash and check the encrption key that is hardcoded into the chip on the device.
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2009-09-16
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Welcome to the Archos world. Unless they changed it drastically in this iteration, it's an asymmetric key protection scheme (a la RSA).
http://www.donat.org/archos/wiki/dok...os_file_format
(yes, I had a 604 wifi, and these Archos policies are the main reason why I'm a Maemo user/dev now).
http://www.donat.org/archos/wiki/dok...os_file_format
(yes, I had a 604 wifi, and these Archos policies are the main reason why I'm a Maemo user/dev now).
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by tso
replying to myself here...
would you mind linking?
i could not find what was claimed, but i ran into something odd at pcmag.com:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352832,00.asp
they basically claim that archos told them the device is running a dual-os setup (probably a misunderstanding).
after a bit of digging i bumped into this:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...-review-635738
so yes, it seems that archos may be pulling some kind of fast one...
quick guess is that they are running the media player bits under lock and key, and is reserving the display whenever its launched.
if thats true, i'm a really sad geek right now...
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2009-09-17
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@ Sacramento, California
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Does anyone believe that Maemo could eventually be installed on this device? Since the price is right, this might be the way for me too. I like that the screen is 4.8" instead of 3.5" on the N900.
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2009-09-17
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if its like some here suggests (and i admit, looks more and more plausible), that archos have locked the boot system so that only correctly signed kernels can be booted (what RMS refers to as tivolization), its unlikely that we will see anything other then archos made firmware booting on this.
and even if its open for third party firmwares, maemo will probably not be one of them. Mer however...
and even if its open for third party firmwares, maemo will probably not be one of them. Mer however...
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2009-09-17
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Forget the Archos 5, get a Viliv S5
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MZZX5S/
It's a 4.8 inch Atom tablet running XP. 7 hour battery life.
Here's a size comparison to the n800
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002MZZX5S/
It's a 4.8 inch Atom tablet running XP. 7 hour battery life.
Here's a size comparison to the n800
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2009-09-17
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sorry, but when it comes to portable electronics, i have a fetish for ARM based hardware and a aversion for anything running microsoft products...
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by BatPenguin
Okay, here we go.
Anyway, maybe a bit off-topic but I'm curious about your critique of the "App Store Model". I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, just wondering if you'd care to enlighten me what it is that you object to in that? From an end-user point of view, the only difference between Maemo extras and other repository installs and the Android App Store seems to be that one (the Market) comes in a prettier interface than the other (at least now, perhaps N900 has a nicer interface). Both handle installation of free apps and updates to them. Why is Maemo Extras a good way of handling software installations and Android/Apple marketplaces a bad one? Is it the commercial aspect that you have a problem with?
The app store model promotes vendor lock-in. You have to buy apps from the vendor. If you look at Archos' app store, which was nominally set up *separately* from the Android app store because many of the standard Android apps are not 800x480, they make you buy codecs to enable hardware that you have already bought.
I prefer the Maemo approach, which is the bulk of the apps being free, with the occasional pay app if you so desire. But the functionality is all there and all free. Yes, some of the pay apps are nominally better. The app store model, on the other hand, promotes an artificial recurring revenue stream.
Originally Posted by MSchievelbein
This.
Being the owner of previous Archos products, I have a very bad taste in my mouth from their products. The other boards are already confirming that the base Android OS and certain apps are integrated into the flash and check the encrption key that is hardcoded into the chip on the device. The same way that it prevented any of their previous devices from running updates from other sources or from running other OS, i.e. Maemo. If you want a very locked down system, i.e. no Flash 10 support, then by all means, go buy one. In have a 704wifi that is still a great DVR after 4 years, but you will NOT be able to expand it or customize it, just load the applications that they allow you to, as long as you do not try and mess with their base system. Be prewarned befor you lay out you $$$$$.
Of course, thats just my 2 cents.
--vr
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2009-09-17
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Originally Posted by VulcanRidr
Well, after what people have been saying here about Archos's previous products and how locked-down they've been, I suppose I understand being cautious about anything Archos does much, much better. Makes sense.
Okay, here we go.
The app store model promotes vendor lock-in. You have to buy apps from the vendor. If you look at Archos' app store, which was nominally set up *separately* from the Android app store because many of the standard Android apps are not 800x480, they make you buy codecs to enable hardware that you have already bought.
I prefer the Maemo approach, which is the bulk of the apps being free, with the occasional pay app if you so desire. But the functionality is all there and all free. Yes, some of the pay apps are nominally better. The app store model, on the other hand, promotes an artificial recurring revenue stream.
--vr
But to be fair, when I originally asked you about this, it was about "Android following Apple's AppStore model", nothing about how Archos has done it before. As it is now, I'm at least pretty happy with the Android market on the phones. Well, I have the HTC Hero, don't know about other phones but I suppose the market must be similar. Don't know anything about Apple's market really, not very interested in it, but I think the normal Android market is very nice.
But yes, sounds like Archos might have a bad habit of messing up things like that, so we'll see. The 800x480 point by the way might not be an issue as Android 1.6 (coming next month) should support that resolution . But yes, interesting...we'll see how the device is when it's out.