Originally Posted by danramos

No. What we are asking for is definitely NOT a solid date..

Originally Posted by andree

the unforunate thing is, that the development doesn't stop for concurrent companies - and if Nokia spends another 4 months fixing existing stuff, and simultaneously developing n900+1 and maemo 6, that is

1) kinda' unfair treatment for future n900 buyers (even more so, if n900 support will only last until n900+1)...

2) unfortunate for maemo itself, as android/webos/apple/winmo will get many new users+devs, and nokia gets.. well.. not much... not everyone is that enthusiastic about using/developing software for virtual machines

3) by 2009/02, I'm sure many new devices will be out, and I'm quite sure n900 specs won't look so cool then, as they do today...

t still amazes me the way people react to Nokia in regards to the announcement, release dates, fw updates and bugs/build quality of their phones.

It only takes a little bit of research here at HOFO to know the following about Nokia:

1-They always announce a phone many months before you will ever be able to buy it.

2-They will make you think if you preorder the new model, that you will be the first ones to receive the phone. When in reality, you will spend weeks, maybe months reading other peoples reviews about the same phone that they bought at Amazon, Dell or Newegg.

3-There will always be software and hardware bugs/defects that will need to be fixed before a new Nokia phone can really be deemed usable. Yet people run out and buy (some preorder) said phone and then complain about each and every problem until Nokia fixes it. Most Nokia phones become much better after V20 fw updates.

4-Nokia rarely (if ever) has release dates for fw or phones, and if they do, they rarely (if ever) stick to that date.

5-Nokia will never give you one phone with all the features that it has in its manufacturing arsenal. You can scream from the the rooftops of Espoo Finland about the one or two features that was missing from your phone (N82=3G, 5800=Internet Radio, etc) It will never happen as long as people continue to buy the current offerings Nokia releases.


I feel sorry for the first time Nokia buyers that may not read reviews here or on other websites. Those buyers that may stumble upon a newly released model, not knowing what to expect.

But for everyone else, especially those members of HOFO (me included) who have owned multiple Nokia phones of the past few years, we should know exactly what to expect from Nokia. Its sad to say but we need to expect less from them, then we wont be disappointed.

Know that every new phone announced will take 6 months before you see it.

Never preorder through Nokia, you can get it just as fast (and cheaper) elsewhere.

Never buy the first batch of phones, wait 3 months for bugs to show themselves. (You may not want the phone then)

Wait until the phone is shipping with V20 FW, this will ensure most bugs have been corrected.

Never buy a phone, thinking that the FW will be out in a few days. It could be weeks or months in reality.

Never skip buying a current phone, thinking that the next model will have the one feature that your missing. Odds are, Nokia wont put it on the new model either.

Originally Posted by mobiledivide

Still boggles my mind all the anger. Products get delayed all the time,

Originally Posted by ABerri

[...] to my knowledge the HD2 is not a "lesser" phone [...]

Originally Posted by ewan

I think it's not the delays that are bothering people so much as the lack of communication. More than most devices the Maemo line are Nokia products, but community efforts. It wouldn't hurt Nokia to just be open and honest about whatever the problem is, or at least it wouldn't hurt more than the uncertainty is already doing. As it is people are speculating wildly about hardware problems, inadequate battery performance, and critical bugs; a little clarity wouldn't go amis.

Originally Posted by Mengs

I think I'm moving over to the android forum now as I won't be having a Nokia as my next phone

Originally Posted by fcukwaiting

I'm through with being treated like an idiot.

Your stores took my preorder back in September and since then...

Nothing.

Delay upon delay and when you do finally release some info. You email some other website instead of informing us, here at the maemo community.


So I'm done.

Cancelled my preoder today and ordered a HTC HD2 because they at least

LIKE EVERY OTHER COMPANY WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THEIR CONSUMERS

Your crap annual profit is more than justified.

**** Nokia

Originally Posted by lorelei

I'm not an expert either, but I think that I agree with your careful analysis of the situation.

Should we get a third opinion? Or maybe an expert should settle this for good

Originally Posted by Bratag

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