Dispite not being too fond of Nokia right now for not supporting 2007 os on 770, I would never buy an iPhone. I don't have that kind of money to throw away, but if I did I would get one. It's too expensive, too proprietary, too locked down, DRMed to death probably. But like I said, if I had money to throw away I would get it and every accessories for it....

You know what would be cooler than multitouch is something that tracks your eye movement and scroll left, right and up and down automatically as you're looking at the screen. Then screen size would not matter too much.

Dude, that would be so 733T.

It wouldn't work for a micrometer of course, but the idea of a computer image wildly jumping around (as tests have shown, ordinary humans don't keep their eyes fixed when reading or even looking) is sweeet...

That's mostly rumor. Apple hasn't stated anything official about the iPhone 3rd party support. At the very least, you will be able to use widgets on it. No sense in including widgets but only giving people 5 of them. And you can use C code in widgets.

Technically, Apple is right. It does run OS X. It just doesn't run Aqua (which is a good decision). During the keynote, they listed tons of APIs that will be available for OS X to use. Like CoreAnimation and Cocoa. I mean, did you see the demos? It uses some pretty hefty visual UI effects, and we all know that Apple is very good at getting visual effects on slower machines. I've seen G3s run Expose and Dashboard fine. Apple probably has included a graphics memory chip for Quartz.


And why would they announce all the APIs that are included if 3rd parties can't make apps? It doesn't make sense.

However, the iPhone can't run normal desktop apps. They need to specifcally made for the iPhone. Jobs was careful to say that it can run "desktop-class applications" which is much closer to the 770/N800 than most smartphone these days.

If I were you, I wouldn't assume anything about the iPhone. It's been stated from Steve Jobs that the software is still under development. The hardware might even change.

But personally, I think the iPhone fixes what phones have been getting wrong.

You idiot. The iPod/iPhone are all DRM free. If you get something from the iTunes Store, it's DRM'd. Personally, I rip, download and copy all the music that's on my iPod. And the same can be done with videos and photos.

Stop accusing the iPod/iPhone of DRM, it's just not true.

I guess one argument is missing in this thread. The iPhone integrates with your Mac (if you have a Mac of course). All your computer settings and data can be synced (as you, or can, do with your iPod). So updatinging and maintenance is no issue anumore.

I hate to reflash my 770 and I have forget to back up (which you have todo manually)
Or if I had bookmarked a URL on my computer.

For me this is the difference between iPhone and the rest of the world (end discussion, )

shrimp, you want everyone to stop accusing the iProducts of suffering DRMitis, but at the same time, you feel justified in calling people here "idiots".

Just a bit hypocritical.

It had bad marketing., It was waaaay too geeky.It made no sense to the average person. It playede up the Linux thing too much. No one cares about cli. Except for most people here, Linux is a detractor. Face it, If it's Linux, it's ugly. The people who love it the N770 is because of it's geekiness, because it's Linux based, because it didn't let **any** of nokias design make is less of the ugly duckling that it is. Apple just has better marketing, design aesthetic, mindshare, and well, "cool factor". why do you think no one cares about the Zune?

How is that hypocritical? I called him an idiot because he doesn't understand something very simple.

See, if I was hypocritical, I would say something like: "You guys need to be nice! YOUR MOTHER IS STUPID!" Now, that would be hypocritical because I would expect something of you that I don't expect from myself. I expect myself to not spout idiotic misinformation, just like I expect others to.

I bet what you meant to say is "shrimp, you are a jerk." Now, if you would've said that, I would've agreed; I am a jerk. However, since you used the word "hypocritical" wrongly ... I will just make fun of you. Like I am.

So if you didn't know what hypocritical means, I hope you do now.

Calling someone an idiot because they spread misinformation is .. well, it's pretty darn justified. Saying that the iPods are inherently DRM'd is wrong. It's not true, it's never been true, there's no reason to even think it ever was true. The iPod is a general mp3 player ... it's just one that ALSO plays DRM'd music from the iTunes store.

If you don't see the hypocrisy already, I won't waste my time vainly trying to explain it. Maybe it's too abstract. Perhaps I should make fun of you for being incapable of abstract thinking. Eh... nah.

Regardless, you're in the wrong to wantonly call anyone "idiot". it just so happens that numerous reviews of mp3 players are saying DRM is an issue for the iPod as if it were canon. You can't blame non-iPod users who are bombarded with this if they assume there's some basis in fact. Your ire is better directed at those actually concocting and spreading misinformation, not those exposed to it and passing off casual comments. Beating up on recipients of bad info who unwittingly pass it along is just... idiotic.

Go take a Midol. You'll feel better.

What happened to web-based email? I've heard so many people complain and complain and complain about the email app on the 770 when a very simple solution is to use a web based email app. I've used Gmail since it first came out and have been a very happy camper with it. I've avoided Outlook like the plague and the only reason I use it now is because at work, that's the only thing they have for our email. Even still, I've never been a fan.

And even if Apple does manage to get their email app right, by having a lower screen resolution like that, they're sacrificing browsing experience for it.

Don't think I'm anti-Apple or anything. I saw the iPhone and squealed like a little girl but then I looked at the specs and was unfortunately disappointed and concluded that I'd stick with my initial decision to get an N800. What specifically was I disappointed in?

For one, the screen size and resolution. 3.5" at 320x480 is a little too small for my tastes. Second is the lack of stylus. I know it has a touch screen and everything but I'm a huge fan of my tablet and using the pen to navigate with. I love the feel of it and I love writing on it and was excited about the 770 (and more recently the N800) for. So even though it's sexy as hell, those are shortcomings I don't want to have to compromise for.

The open source community still appeals to me even though I've never really used Linux much at all. I tried to get Gentoo working on one of my old computers and there were some negative experiences with that and the fact that it was impossible to get working with the hardware. Plus, since this is still an Apple product and this isn't an open source OS, you guys are also going to be looking at spending extra on the apps you want to go with it.

So like I said, while sexy as hell and I'm happy to see this out, it's too many compromises for me. Though, on the other hand, this will make all the people happy who complain about the fact that the 770/N800 isn't a phone. Now, if you don't like it and can't be content pairing it up with a cell phone when you're away from a WiFi port, go get an iPhone!