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2010-01-20 , 22:58
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Originally Posted by Bec View Post
Learn what? Everybody who has an N900 should now know linux by heart and memorize words that make no sense for "normal" people?

Or should those who "ahem" actually have "other" jobs than linux and are not willing to allocate time to dpkg be left in the fog and depend on "repositories" and a constant internet connection, that both happen to go down from time to time?

I never really got what you guys hoped to achieve with that stupid terminal commands anyway - converting people, is that it? Making them "understand" the great power of the blinking cursor?
It's getting late and if installing a deb would mean clicking it I'd do it, but frankly it's kinda late here and typing stuff isn't my thing @ 1AM.

"Linux - constraining and alienating normal users since... forever."
Sounds like the device isn't for you. I think its good Nokia took out the Red pill option, so new people wont screw up their phones faster. Forcing xterm use makes it a little harder for the normal user to install some random deb that may brick their phone.

Please be reminded the N900 is an internet tablet that tries to bring desktop experience to a mobile device. It's not suppose to be as easy to use as an iPhone, that little kids know how to use perfectly yet still ask their parents to tie their shoe. There is a learning curve when you first use a PC and troubleshooting it. N900 is the same, but you have to learn commands with linux.

I remember trying to use Redhat Linux back in the day when I was in 5th grade. It was too hard to use and I gave up on it. When Ubuntu came out it was much more usable for the average user and I was able to learn more without getting too frustrated.
 
geneven is offline geneven
2010-01-20 , 23:13
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The reason I don't like running dpkg -i is that I keep forgetting dpkg and I have to look it up. It takes a lot of time to find things sometimes. How much have I learned about the structure of Linux by learning the abbreviation dpkg? It seems to me that I have learned practically nothing except those four letters in that order.
 

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2010-01-20 , 23:14
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Originally Posted by vl_oka View Post
Really? (a genuine question)

I always found that .documents "translates" to Documents, and "MyDocs" is just root for the lot (Images, Documents, Camera, ...)
It's possible. Whatever. The fact that I am still confused about this means that I should never have bought an N800, N810 and N900. I'm just not qualified.
 
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2010-01-20 , 23:19
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A surgeon cuts, his knowledge of phisiopathology is limitated compared to that one of a phisiopathologist. His knowledge about genetics tends to be zero.

aka.

a racedriver is not also a mechanic.

aka

dpkg does not teach anyrhing, it simply requires more clicks.

As for redpill I agree. For install from file I don't.

But the community has decided and I should stop b*tching... dunno why I really do it
Clicking the exe is deeply implemented in my system.
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2010-01-20 , 23:21
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thank you very mucho you solve my problem xD
 
geneven is offline geneven
2010-01-20 , 23:28
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dpkg does not teach anyrhing, it simply requires more clicks.

As for redpill I agree. For install from file I don't.

But the community has decided and I should stop b*tching... ([/QUOTE]

This "the community has decided" thing masks some questionable assumptions. See that headline in the Off Topic area, where I am about to post it.
 
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2010-01-20 , 23:30
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
It's possible. Whatever. The fact that I am still confused about this means that I should never have bought an N800, N810 and N900. I'm just not qualified.
If you're "not qualified" then why wade at all into the entrails? Just use what's obvious. If insist on going past the "simple user" boundary then you should be prepared for what lies there. N900 can be happily used without any of the Linux stuff, especially root access and dpkg. Once you take the red pill you can't blame others if it's difficult. Restore to factory defaults and enjoy your device. It's great even without the red pill stuff.
 

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2010-01-20 , 23:43
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Originally Posted by vl_oka View Post
If you're "not qualified" then why wade at all into the entrails? Just use what's obvious. If insist on going past the "simple user" boun
Well, you are welcome to look thru my messages and find the ones where I say "boo hoo, I can't get my N800, N810 or N900 to work". You won't find any. All my devices work fine.

I am saying that the interface is unnecessarily user-unfriendly. It is more unfriendly than the numerous versions of Linux that I have been running for years.
 
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2010-01-20 , 23:52
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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
I am saying that the interface is unnecessarily user-unfriendly. It is more unfriendly than the numerous versions of Linux that I have been running for years.
Which interface you mean? The one presented to a "regular" user or the one to achieve more "advanced" stuff? Remember N900 is primarily a consumer product, despite the fact geeks can have a ball, too. It's a fine balancing act Nokia had to perform here, and I think they did it quite well, even if they made things more geek friendly.

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Full disclosure: having mentioned Nokia, I must say I work for them, too. However, I am in no way associated with Maemo or N900 projects. My opinions expressed here are my own and do not necessarily, or even at all, reflect official Nokia position.
 
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2010-01-21 , 00:00
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Originally Posted by poquifox View Post
...Please let me know step by step
You can either learn it, by, uh....learning it. Or, there is another way to skin a cat, install a gui that make things 'look' easier. Both emelfm2 and Midnight Commander has explorer like GUI, allows one to navigate your N900 like a, uh, window explorer. It is easier, but it is also more dangerous. Just like everything in life, the more easier, the more prone to make mistake.

Me? I have used emelfm2 and MC so much, I forgot ALL those heinous xterm commands, quote from user Jayonthebeat "I am NOT a role model"

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