The API is here for every Mac owner to use. And the SDK is included in every install DVD of the OS.

Well, this sounds different. Found this site after a little googling, but initially read it somewhere else:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives..._new_tests.php

If you were a genious madman, it would of course make sense to burn your customers batteries (because you personally do not like adobe) to convince them iSheeps that flash is crap, right?

I'm still looking at 6h of flash video on one battery... Maybe I'm missing something?

Regardless, I don't see how Flash can claim that Apple isn't providing access to the GPU? I mean... It's a standard API for crying out loud. If anything, I am more inclined to believe that Adobe are not playing ball.

Do me a favour, all of you Apple naysayers because the iPhone and iPad doesn't support Flash: Look up to the address bar in your browser, and tell me what domain this forum is hosted at. maemo.org. That's right. MAEMO. An OPEN SOURCE operating system. And you're arguing that Apple is the bad guy for not supporting -- and actively fighting -- against some proprietary, crash-prone and badly engineering piece of software?

Tim Cook, an Apple executive, was quoted a year ago saying the following:

And quite frankly, that's pretty close to the general philosophy behind Open Source. The truth is that Flash is main cause of crashes on Macs. It's even the main cause of crashes in microb. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the main cause of crashes in Firefox and Internet Explorer, either.

During a keynote, Apple senior vice president of software engineering Bertrand Serlet was explaining the new web content plugin mechanism for Safari in Snow Leopard. Rather than run within Safari’s application process, web content plugins now run in their own process, so if they crash, they (usually) don’t crash Safari itself. You get a broken little rectangle in the page where the plugin was executing, but the browser itself stays running.

Apple did this for two reasons. Serlet’s stated reason on stage was “crash resistance”, as mentioned above. As for why such crash resistance was worth implementing, Serlet explained that, based on data from the Crash Reporter application built into Mac OS X -- the thing that asks if you’d like to send crash data to Apple after a crash -- the most frequent cause of crashes across all of Mac OS X are (or at least were, pre-Snow Leopard) “plugins”.

What does this mean? Well, simply put, think of how ubiquitous Flash is. Nearly everyone who has a browser open has some Flash content playing, somewhere. Flash isn't a foolproof technology, and its stability highly depends on the quality of the code in the actual Flash applet. Now, if you take into account that Flash's code is highly aimed and geared towards Windows (meaning that the Flash version running on your N900 is probably as bad, poorly engineered and buggy as the one that runs on OSX), you end up with a very, very vast problem.

I don't like Flash, if that wasn't apparent up to now. It's a proprietary piece of **** that has become a standard on the web, not because of its qualities, not because of its strengths, but because it was there. Flash is a disease, born to power small banners, and has been abused to become a full framework used in major websites for all the wrong reason. Shiny, curvy and sexy are no reasons to become a standard.

Essentially, Flash is the only de facto web standard that is proprietary. Why is it the de facto standard? Because of its ubiquity. Flash is used to deliver video on the web, hence, video on the web is 100% controlled by Adobe. No other standard on the web works like this. Be it HTML, CSS, Javascript, there are a number of implementations, very well written standards and RFCs, that take into account the different requirements and objections that the main players of the web had.

The web is inherently Open Source, yet Flash is hindering that, in the worst possible way.

It’s a chicken-and-egg problem. Publishers use Flash for web video because Flash is installed on such a high percentage of clients; clients support Flash because so many publishers use Flash for web video. Apple, with the iPhone -- and now the iPad --, is solving the chicken and egg problem. For the first time ever, there is a large and growing audience of demographically desirable users who don’t have Flash installed. If you want to show video to iPhone users, you need to use H.264.

Apple isn’t trying to replace Flash with its own proprietary thing. They’re replacing it with H.264 and HTML5. This is good for everyone but Adobe.

Flash isn't exclusively used for video, sure, but there is no way around it: People don't complain they don't have flash because of the games, most flash games would run like pigs on mobile devices anyway. If you want something to run fast, just run it natively. HTML5 is that nativity that is required.

I’m not arguing that Apple’s apparent executive-level antipathy toward Flash is about anything other than Apple’s own interests. (I do think, though, that Apple’s WebKit team is genuinely idealistic about helping the web as a whole.)

But while Apple may be acting spitefully, they’re not spiting themselves. The iPhone’s lack of Flash has not hurt it one bit. Perhaps that will change in the future, if Flash someday proves popular on other mobile platforms, but don’t hold your breath.

So again, think about what Operating System you're supporting by being on this forum. Think about how hard we are trying to have a system that is Open, and that can be used by anyone, to do anything.

Flash is owned and controlled by Adobe.

'nuff said.

I disagree with the things Apple does, and I voice my disagreement by not giving them my business. Apple could care less about that smashed iPad -- it's still revenue for them. Smashing that iPad is economically and ecologically irresponsible.

the problem is simple. apple will never implement flash on there iPad/iPhone/Touch.
Flash was once a way to display videos and self made animations, but slowly it became a more or less grown up programming language.
If Apple would allow users to have flash on there devices, they would also say "HEY DEVELOPERS, WE DON'T WANT YOUR MONY FOR THE DEVELOPER ACCOUNTS ANYMORE!"
it would also mean that apple would loose huge money from their app store, because flash apps are better portable to other mobiles and even Mac's, PC or Linux machines.
The whole market would collapse.

for the same reason Apple doesn't support Java on the iPad (didn't heard so much wining about that) or even the Basic V2.0 in a C64 emulator!

by the way if you are looking for people destroying apple products, then take the originals. http://www.bikinirama.de/?page_id=5 just click on one of the iPhone banners and you will see a nice video. They also kill a powerbook and a lot of other products.

whats your definition of good living conditions? working for less pay than you should, to pay rent/cable/food/gas etc. or working for the growth of your crops?

from http://www.istealyourmoney.com...

Capitalism is a system based upon monetary inequality. Capitalism is legal-theft. Wealth is stolen from idiots via stupid trade. Monetary inequality is essential. Rich people are only rich because they take a bigger share of wealth. Rich people live affluent lives because they exploit masses of fools. Customers are overcharged and employees are underpaid. Idiocy and capitalism are inextricably interlinked. The urge to be richer than other people plunders our intellectual wealth. Enslavement of unintelligent workers is a fundamental aspect of capitalism.

i hate apple because, even to a linux user, apple and their products are worse than Microsoft....most people with PC's run windows while everyone should run linux (though thats not an easy thing, try being a linux noob going into a forum and asking for help... its like asking sharks to teach you how to live in the ocean) although, the great thing about a PC verses a Mac computer is that you can chose what parts to put in your pc and they aren't over priced (in comparison to apple parts at least)

apple handhelds are even worse. being a closed environment, ridiculous crap like no tethering and patenting multi-touch. the reality of the business (apple) is very different than the reality of the consumer (you). thats why they make a cool product and cripple it and over charge you while letting you believe you're getting what you paid for. the myth of capitalism. if we all got what we paid for, no one would make any profit.

apple call's their products innovative, i call them a blatant insult to the intelligence of anyone who actively learns their electronic devices and actually wants to get their money's worth when they buy them.

we're more than just consumers supporting the rich. we should remind apple an all other companies of that fact.

I fail to see how this could in any way hurt Apple. Unless of course they stole it?

Lmfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao!!!!

Well my fellow Apple haters , its good to see such topic
However, I want to clarify some aspects that caused me to hate them. First of all I dont like their business model. The make good and simple products but they dont want you to know anything about it they want to make people technophobic and they do it quite well. Why do I need to spend time and money to remove a BATTERY ? Why I cant delete my music files or images from my device without syncing it? anyways I have a feeling that most people who use Apple products are being watch by Mr. Jobs



p.s. Surprised to see that someone smashed 500$ iPad ? Look at this link first!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPad-64-GB...ht_2296wt_1007

Ok please wait for ONE second before dissing flash.

1) Flash is not going to be proprietary for long, Adobe is going to open the spec, just like they did for PDF.

2) Give me an IDE that came make a game as good as a flash game that can run in any browser and is "open"

3) GAMES ARE IN FLASH. MANY COMPANIES DEPEND ON THESE GAMES TO SURVIVE. I though that CS5 would allow cross-compiling into iPhone, which would be pretty good. But Apple shut that down also! WTF!

4) H.264 IS NOT OPEN. Its freaking proprietary. Don't drink the kool-aid! Ogg Vorbis is not going to be used because it is NOT patented. Its so f'ed up. Thats why people use flash, its a plugin so it avoids these problems!

5) Apple fanboys are such hypocrites. First they say Flash sucks because all it is used for is banner ads, blah blah blah. But now the iPhone has iAds and no flash. And everyone is SOOO happy....


Apple is all about the money. Nothing more. They don't want flash because it will cut into the casual games market that makes them so much cash. And guess what, if Google or Nokia was in 1st place they would do the exact same thing.

Flash is far far far from perfect, but it is necessary until, wait for it, ADOBE RELEASES A IDE FOR HTML5! They make the best content creation stuff, like Photoshop, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc... Until they combine Dreamweaver and Flash, flash better stay!