N8 has a non user replaceable battery
and i really really hate that

I am sure it's not hard to replace the battery if needed.. I am guessing a couple of screws.. Maybe the ones that are on the side?

Also symbian is interesting man, there are lots of things that it can do that Maemo can't so far.. and I am guessing MeeGo too, since it's going to be a very new OS... So you can't say it's horrible! It's not as good as Maemo/MeeGo when it comes to being a mobile computer.. But it's certainly not horrible either..

Cringe on the non replaceable battery.
This is the next cellphone camera sensor
http://www.invisageinc.com/

How about this ? It can run on lower spec hardware. It was designed from the ground up with mobility in mind and no matter how u spin it, linux was not. It also has better power management than maemo. Its quite unfair to consider it horrible, yes its not flashy but its very functional and efficient so much so that it is used by more souls than any other. Maemo rocks as it is but no point degrading Symbian. Peace.

that's a wow. i wonder if it's on our n900.. then thats another "pros." i might get that phone to check some cool features of it.

Amen. Symbian and Maemo are very different animals, coming from different paradigms, and now addressing different needs. They have strengths and weaknesses, and according to those, users will choose and pick the product that fits them.

I am actually disappointed with the attitude that I am seeing lately in the forum regarding Symbian. Why the hate? Why the intolerance? Is people not capable anymore of understanding that other persons see value in things they don't?

The 12 Megapixel camera of the N8 plus its metallic design will make the experience for some people. For some, it won't. There is no need to assault someone that doesn't like the same thing that you.

Chill a bit guys. You will live longer.

i really don't understand all the negative comments about symbian. people sometimes even say things like "it's a bad OS because the icons look dated" - what are we talking about? seriously?

symbian is easy to use, has a logical, consistent UI that i understood within a few minutes and is heavily optimized for cell phone use cases. i can't say the same for other operating systems, not even for my beloved maemo.

as for the look and feel: don't forget this is something nokia tries to keep as consistent as possible across its whole range of products from S40, S60, Symbian^3 and Maemo. knowing that nokia owns almost half of the cell phone market and that 50% of the consumers who buy the N8 will be people who upgrade from another nokia phone, it makes a lot of sense not to change the look and feel too much. this ensures that 50% of the new N8 owners will feel at home as soon as they turn on the device, no matter if they come from S40, S60 or Maemo.

I'm going to come right out and say that I don't like Symbian anymore after having used Maemo. This doesn't mean Symbian is any less capable than it was before, but it's just so hard to think about going back to it after having used Maemo.

Keep in mind that I haven't used Symbian since the N72 so all the advances since (and it probably doesn't even remotely resemble what I used before) have been mostly ignored by me.

For me, Maemo was the attraction, not the Nokia brand. I also don't doubt that we will see more of that camera in future Nokia phones since they have a tendency to stick to their hardware inventory for years.

Well, for one thing, it's still much better suited to non-touch devices. Plus there are quite a few interesting applications not available for the N900 at present.

S60v5 isn't nearly as terrible as critics claim, but it does have a slight learning curve (inherited from its keyboarded roots) that other touch OSes lack. Hopefully Symbian^3 will lessen that, but obviously that remains to be seen.

Either way, there is room in the world for more than one operating system.

I use Maemo on a daily basis because I like having a decent Linux box in my pocket, not because of some failing of Symbian.

Needless to say, I hope the MeeGo phone, whatever it turns out to be, has the N8's camera and optics. It's killer. If it was available today, I'd be seriously tempted to buy one. I'd also like to see a better slide mechanism. (pick up an E75 sometime and compare it to the N900)

I'm a bit jealous about the oprating times of symbian:

http://www.forum.nokia.com/Tools_Doc...=[N8,N900]