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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Every single app that is made for this community would be even better if it had with it a complete un-install file (all code) leaving the OS as it was before install in case anything goes wrong.
I'll help by translating this into an application request:

There should be an application that keeps track of what files are installed when you install an application. When you uninstall the application, these files should be removed leaving as little as possible on the device from the previous install.

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There already is such an application. It's the package management system that's used with Debian package files. It already keeps track of all files that are installed (but, not every file created by the installed application, important difference here) and removes them when the application is uninstalled.

If you took the time to read the documentation for it, you'd learn a lot about how it works, its limitations and features and then you wouldn't have the need to ask for something that is already there.

One of the main benefits with such a system is that not every developer has to create her own mechanics to manage the installed files. The package system does it for her.

One of the main problems is that it's very easy to create packages that install files that slip by the package system. I offer the rootsh package as example (unless it's been fixed) where the gainroot script is created outside of the package managements control.

So, help by testing packages and reporting sloppy uninstalls as bugs so that the package can be changed to properly utilize the package system.
 

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A scorecard for tenpin bowling would be great
 
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bluetooth transfer progress bar? percentage completed??? estimated time? etc etc for more bluetooth transfer functionality or that sort?
 
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Originally Posted by Geekworld View Post
Sorry no screenshot with me,,but its unable to connect to the repository,,,is the repository down or,,they changed distribution????????
ctr+ shift + p
 
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Originally Posted by Joorin View Post
I'll help by translating this into an application request:

There should be an application that keeps track of what files are installed when you install an application. When you uninstall the application, these files should be removed leaving as little as possible on the device from the previous install.

Solution:

"There already is such an application. It's the package management system that's used with Debian package files. It already keeps track of all files that are installed (but, not every file created by the installed application, important difference here) and removes them when the application is uninstalled."

That's the main problem with this as what is left can cause further problems at a later stage.

If you took the time to read the documentation for it, you'd learn a lot about how it works, its limitations and features and then you wouldn't have the need to ask for something that is already there.

"One of the main benefits with such a system is that not every developer has to create her own mechanics to manage the installed files. The package system does it for her."

Then write a proper backup app that takes a flash-able image so that it can be used as a quick back to where it was before situation.

One of the main problems is that it's very easy to create packages that install files that slip by the package system. I offer the rootsh package as example (unless it's been fixed) where the gainroot script is created outside of the package managements control.

"So, help by testing packages and reporting sloppy uninstalls as bugs so that the package can be changed to properly utilize the package system."
The latter being your most important point and this is why we need a dedicated team to do this for the community and make progression as a whole a lot faster on the community and the N900.
All in all the N900 is indeed a fantastic device as a world's first and the reason i think some development flaws could be looked at from a serious point of view to cut down on the time consuming help that is called for on here and most importantly make apps safer, after all we benefit Nokia benefit.

ps very interesting points you brought up.

Last edited by abill_uk; 2010-05-30 at 08:36.
 
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
The latter being your most important point and this is why we need a dedicated team to do this for the community and make progression as a whole a lot faster on the community and the N900.
All in all the N900 is indeed a fantastic device as a world's first and the reason i think some development flaws could be looked at from a serious point of view to cut down on the time consuming help that is called for on here and most importantly make apps safer, after all we benefit Nokia benefit.

ps very interesting points you brought up.
So, in reality, what you'd like is an easy way to create a flashable image that will restore your device to exactly the state it had when you created the image? This is something else than handling of installed files from a specific package.

Have you had a look at how the images that are delivered from Nokia are constructed? Aren't there already tools available to create such images? I haven't had any reason to search for the information but I'm sure it's not too hard to find.

And I agree on this being a useful feature if you really have to rely on your device functioning and want to have a quick and easy way to return to a known and working state. But since you already have the official images from Nokia to use (forcing you to reinstall whatever you lost that actually works) I don't think this will get lots of developers. But I might very well be wrong about that.
 

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Porting debsigs to Maemo and getting this community to use it and take security more seriously.
 

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Originally Posted by Joorin View Post
So, in reality, what you'd like is an easy way to create a flashable image that will restore your device to exactly the state it had when you created the image? This is something else than handling of installed files from a specific package.

Have you had a look at how the images that are delivered from Nokia are constructed? Aren't there already tools available to create such images? I haven't had any reason to search for the information but I'm sure it's not too hard to find.

And I agree on this being a useful feature if you really have to rely on your device functioning and want to have a quick and easy way to return to a known and working state. But since you already have the official images from Nokia to use (forcing you to reinstall whatever you lost that actually works) I don't think this will get lots of developers. But I might very well be wrong about that.
Looking at the possibilities of grabbing an image at any time is rather complicated, grabbing is one thing but being able to use it directly as a restore without mounting and making a .bin is another.
Looking at Windows for instance we have the "system restore" and that is about as close an example i can bring but even the method of system restore can be bogged down by virus etc rendering it useless.
The .bin file supplied and used from Nokia is rather a complicated issue as it also has embedded encrypted drivers for the n900 so to compile that lot would be a daunting task this is why either all apps are checked for issues or a way of taking an image file to use as a restore, the latter i think would be more beneficial to end user i think, and also using your own image cuts down on download time and a lot quicker all round to get back to known working situation.
So yes further the backup already available on the n900 and make it possible to grab an entire image of the n900 usable directly as a file to flash a complete working restore with.
 
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Originally Posted by Geekworld View Post
is devel for u??????????
sorry what do you mean?
 
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Originally Posted by anaskr View Post
bluetooth transfer progress bar? percentage completed??? estimated time? etc etc for more bluetooth transfer functionality or that sort?
During a bluetooth transfer, clicking the clock (status menu area) will bring up a progress bar for the transfer.
 
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