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2010-05-31
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Originally Posted by aspidites
Earlier you said:
@gerbick: I never claimed that Windows couldn't read *.doc files out of box.
I could rebut this as such: "The N900 is a handheld Linux computer, and .doc, .xls, etc are proprietary Windows formats, so it shouldn't be expected to support them out of box. You should have gotten a windows mobile device if this was important to you"
Are you implying then that *.doc is an exclusive format to write reports, papers, etc; that excel is an exclusive format to write spreadsheets?
The rest... you've assumed way too much unfortunately.
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2010-05-31
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"Adobe Flash 10.1
In no way was this explicitly written that the N900 will receive Adobe Flash 10.1"
Yes, a very legalistic wording, and it is indeed the primary Nokia line of defense. As if users should be expected to say, "oh, but what version of Flash is the N900 going to support?"
This kind of reasoning simply announces that Nokia is not to be trusted. What Nokia REALLY means when it touts the N900 as having flash should be sought in footnotes and subtle distinctions.
I myself, by the way, am not very interested in Flash of any version number. But I think that Nokia's sudden enthusiasm for the Flash support that the N900 had implied that it wasn't simply a Flash in the pan, but a real commitment lasting longer than one version of Flash, and users blindsided by Nokia's sudden abandonment of Flash have my sympathy.
In no way was this explicitly written that the N900 will receive Adobe Flash 10.1"
Yes, a very legalistic wording, and it is indeed the primary Nokia line of defense. As if users should be expected to say, "oh, but what version of Flash is the N900 going to support?"
This kind of reasoning simply announces that Nokia is not to be trusted. What Nokia REALLY means when it touts the N900 as having flash should be sought in footnotes and subtle distinctions.
I myself, by the way, am not very interested in Flash of any version number. But I think that Nokia's sudden enthusiasm for the Flash support that the N900 had implied that it wasn't simply a Flash in the pan, but a real commitment lasting longer than one version of Flash, and users blindsided by Nokia's sudden abandonment of Flash have my sympathy.
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2010-05-31
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Can it be said that, whether it be the N770, N800, N810 or N900, Nokia has built very capable hardware that's yet to realize its full potential because Nokia keeps switching software gears every year?
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2010-05-31
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Wowwwww. Some people love arguing over the smallest and stupidest of things....
Its Bank holiday here... Im off out!!
Its Bank holiday here... Im off out!!
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2010-05-31
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Originally Posted by aspidites
Are you implying then that *.doc is an exclusive format to write reports, papers, etc; that excel is an exclusive format to write spreadsheets?
Originally Posted by gerbick
No, what you did say was:
I didn't say that, now did I?
Originally Posted by gerbick
Notice the use of the interrogotive words "are you". It was a question, not a quote.
Safari is not an exclusive manner to get to the web. Each OS has their own default method to get to the internet.
Originally Posted by aspidites
"Reasonable" was a bad choice of words here. It seems to imply that a person that doesn't know that Windows can't handle ext3 by default is unreasonable. The point of mentioning ext3 partion format is that every modern operating system that I have come across can read ext3 by default EXCEPT for Windows.
Either way, it shouldn't be expected for a non-windows computer to be able to open Windows proprietary formats -- can stock Mac OS 10 open excel spreadsheets, yet? Why should a Linux computer be expected to?
No computer I have purchased (either through newegg, circuit city, or best buy) has come with an excel reader preinstalled without paying a premium. It has been a couple of years though, so perhaps this has changed.
The original complaint was that these things weren't built-in, so the mention of installable applications to fill this void is unneccessary.
No need for corrections, lest everything that was ever said on the internet need be historically accurate.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Funny how you neglected to highlight the word linux in my quote.
Earlier you said:
That's what I was addressing.
I didn't say that, now did I? I said that *.doc was not proprietary Windows - thus Microsoft - formats. It belonged to WordPerfect.
The rest... you've assumed way too much unfortunately.
This is "the rest". I fail to see what is "assumed" here. your concern over the original proprieters of a particular format seem rather pedantic, given the context at which the original argument was given -- that is, that it whether it was word perfect, microsoft, or anyone else's format originally is irrelevant.
Anyways, back on topic: I would say geneven raises a good point, except that I can't think of any other mobile device that has had more than one version of flash. My archos 5 only had one version AFAICT. Had it not been for the demo video where 10.1 was seen to work on the N900, I myself wouldn't have expected an update at all.
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2010-05-31
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It's funny to see references to 'nitpicking' or 'being pedantic' when the defense centers around the terms 'mobile phone' vs 'mobile computer'.
People don't care how/why these shortcomings on their $500 phone came about, they just want the solution and not have to know any better.
People don't care how/why these shortcomings on their $500 phone came about, they just want the solution and not have to know any better.
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2010-05-31
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Originally Posted by ysss
Exactly... yep.
It's funny to see references to 'nitpicking' or 'being pedantic' when the defense centers around the terms 'mobile phone' vs 'mobile computer'.
People don't care how/why these shortcomings on their $500 phone came about, they just want the solution and not have to know any better.
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2010-05-31
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Why would you need counter arguments against complaints?
Present a solution or an explanation if one is asked for. Rude and non-constructive complaints should be ignored, since they usually aren't directed at the maemo community afact.
Present a solution or an explanation if one is asked for. Rude and non-constructive complaints should be ignored, since they usually aren't directed at the maemo community afact.
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2010-05-31
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I haven't read the thread, but I do consider the lack of flash 10.1 (should it prove true) inexcusable if they insist on calling this a "mobile computer with phone capabilities".
I'm not saying it's not a computer, but you can't excuse the phone problems by saying its a computer and the computer problems by saying it's a phone.
Granted, flash 10.1 may not be essential right now, but what happens when the majority of websites adopt it (which they will because of the obvious advantages)? What happens when every site you go to says
"please upgrade your flash plugin"?
I can tolerate most of the N900's niggles, but this particular issue stands to cripple the N900 long before my 24 month contract runs out and I am able to get another device. End result? Another dissatisfied customer.
Anyway, I will wait and see. Hopefully Nokia will realise how important this is.
I'm not saying it's not a computer, but you can't excuse the phone problems by saying its a computer and the computer problems by saying it's a phone.
Granted, flash 10.1 may not be essential right now, but what happens when the majority of websites adopt it (which they will because of the obvious advantages)? What happens when every site you go to says
"please upgrade your flash plugin"?
I can tolerate most of the N900's niggles, but this particular issue stands to cripple the N900 long before my 24 month contract runs out and I am able to get another device. End result? Another dissatisfied customer.
Anyway, I will wait and see. Hopefully Nokia will realise how important this is.
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