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2010-06-27
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Originally Posted by dchky
Yes, I understand. I'm ready to do a lot of work - I don't know how. I'm not desperate enough to try to install Minix dual-boot with Maemo :-/. I'm not ready to crash N900 yet.
Silver spoon much good sir?
What you will not find is a simple drop in .deb file. You want this, you're going to have to do a lot of the work on your own because 1990 is not calling out to any of us - nobody beyond an exceedingly small number of people want something so minimalistic.
And I have neither time nor knowledge for writing an operating system, based on Gecko (where all applications would be written on XML and HTML and JavaScript; no ELF's, no binaries; drivers would be handled in a manner similar to plug-ins in Firefox; and still, I would then like to simplify Gecko, to make it smaller and smaller).
Originally Posted by dchky
How do you imagine that? Do you know a way to uninstall all GTK themes without losing key bindings? Besides, GTK will still remain a large complex object, looking around for themes and transitions. I would like something which cannot even think about transitions or themes.
If you don't want any gradients, patterns, or eyecandy, then just delete the transitions and uninstall all your themes, that way you'll be left with bog standard ugly GTK in all its light boring goodness.
I would like something with black-and-white interface. Maybe, even without multitasking. Just nothing fancy.
One example: right now Ovi Maps take a long time to load. Why? I suppose, having everything black-and-white, including maps, would speed them up a bit (and don't show this progress bar! It's not pleasant to look at it whilst I cannot even switch to another window or desktop while these maps load themselves).
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2010-06-29
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#23
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Wikiwide, you have my sympathy. I also wish I could find something more useful than hildon and friends (and it could well be less pretty).
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2010-06-29
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#24
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@OP I'm not sure exactly how to accomplish what you're looking for, but you definitely bought the right phone!
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2010-06-29
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Hmm... Maemo5-lite.. Sounds good to me =)
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2010-06-30
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#26
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Wikiwide:
- Hit CTRL-backarrow to get out of Maps and back to the dashboard while the progress bar is showing.
- Try using transitioncontrol to set all of the transitions to their minimum values.
- I highly doubt a black-and-white interface / theme would make any difference to speed.
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2010-06-30
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#27
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- Originally Posted by qoleThanks for advice!
Wikiwide:
Hit CTRL-backarrow to get out of Maps and back to the dashboard while the progress bar is showing. - Originally Posted by qoleMaybe, I'll do it.
Try using transitioncontrol to set all of the transitions to their minimum values.
- Originally Posted by qoleI mean not Hildon/GTK+ black-and-white theme, but a minimalistic desktop environment. Like...
I highly doubt a black-and-white interface / theme would make any difference to speed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_OS
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDE
or I don't know what.
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2010-07-02
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Hi.
This is my first post here. I too have an n900, and would prefer to run fluxbox instead of Hildon.
I feel that Hildon is part of what is keeping my n900 from running as a true computer. I have fluxbox running in the easy-debian chroot, but this seems redundant and needlessly resource intensive.
I suppose ideally, I would abandon Maemo altogether and simply run debian natively, with FSO as a means of accessing GSM telephony, and probably zhone as an interface as in the following link.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
However, this does not seem to be trivial to install at present, so I am stuck with Maemo.
However, I would like to at least abandon Hildon, and surprisingly this is the only thread that I've found so far. I would have thought that by now someone would have found a way to replace the default window manager.
I don't like Hildon because it forces every window to be maximized, which nullifies the concept of multitasking in many ways. I can't view two windows simultaneously, and I can't resize them or move them.
For me, open source is largely about the freedom of choice; choosing a window manager is kind of a big deal, and I've always sided with fluxbox for it's minimalism and flexibility. So where is the first step to take? There is no .xinitrc in Maemo, so what starts Xorg? I'm thinking it might be somewhere in /etc/init.d, but I would appreciate any advice.
This is my first post here. I too have an n900, and would prefer to run fluxbox instead of Hildon.
I feel that Hildon is part of what is keeping my n900 from running as a true computer. I have fluxbox running in the easy-debian chroot, but this seems redundant and needlessly resource intensive.
I suppose ideally, I would abandon Maemo altogether and simply run debian natively, with FSO as a means of accessing GSM telephony, and probably zhone as an interface as in the following link.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
However, this does not seem to be trivial to install at present, so I am stuck with Maemo.
However, I would like to at least abandon Hildon, and surprisingly this is the only thread that I've found so far. I would have thought that by now someone would have found a way to replace the default window manager.
I don't like Hildon because it forces every window to be maximized, which nullifies the concept of multitasking in many ways. I can't view two windows simultaneously, and I can't resize them or move them.
For me, open source is largely about the freedom of choice; choosing a window manager is kind of a big deal, and I've always sided with fluxbox for it's minimalism and flexibility. So where is the first step to take? There is no .xinitrc in Maemo, so what starts Xorg? I'm thinking it might be somewhere in /etc/init.d, but I would appreciate any advice.
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2010-07-03
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Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
I would be glad, too : )
Hi.
This is my first post here. I too have an n900, and would prefer to run fluxbox instead of Hildon.
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
File manager is too limited, Sketch can neither resize nor zoom image, Photographs' editor saves edited png into jpg, etc... Too much eye-candy and not enough functionality. I use Fennec to see the files which aren't seen by File Manager, and vi to edit them if needed.
I feel that Hildon is part of what is keeping my n900 from running as a true computer.
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
I'm of the same opinion. :-)
I have fluxbox running in the easy-debian chroot, but this seems redundant and needlessly resource intensive.
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
Yes, to run Debian natively you need:
I suppose ideally, I would abandon Maemo altogether and simply run debian natively, with FSO as a means of accessing GSM telephony, and probably zhone as an interface as in the following link.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian
However, this does not seem to be trivial to install at present, so I am stuck with Maemo.
1. to make a backup;
2. to find a Debian image for your type of hardware, or to make it yourself;
3. put this image onto a memory card or something like that and follow instructions from Debian repository;
4. If N900 doesn't work, reflash it and start again.
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
Penguinbait could, but he doesn't have N900.
However, I would like to at least abandon Hildon, and surprisingly this is the only thread that I've found so far. I would have thought that by now someone would have found a way to replace the default window manager.
http://tablethacker.com/
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
It's due to window manager, Matchbox. It's mostly used for devices with such small screens that there is no point in having two windows opened simultaneously. However, N900 has quite large screen, so yes, for multitasking matchbox isn't the best choice.
I don't like Hildon because it forces every window to be maximized, which nullifies the concept of multitasking in many ways. I can't view two windows simultaneously, and I can't resize them or move them.
Originally Posted by radiochickenwax
Yes, I suppose that on start-up everything is called from /etc/init.d. At the same time, the scripts in /etc/init.d call out other scripts from /etc/osso-af-init and binaries from /usr/bin. Right now I suppose that Hildon is started in /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop. Before editing it, backup everything from N900, so that you can re-flash it in case of problems.
For me, open source is largely about the freedom of choice; choosing a window manager is kind of a big deal, and I've always sided with fluxbox for it's minimalism and flexibility. So where is the first step to take? There is no .xinitrc in Maemo, so what starts Xorg? I'm thinking it might be somewhere in /etc/init.d, but I would appreciate any advice.
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2010-07-03
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Originally Posted by Wikiwide
You might want to edit the transitions.ini file to disable those.
and I don't like shiny interface of Hildon, along with transitions and blurs;
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
The app manager is for people who like a GUI better than a terminal.
Hildon Application Manager is useless, I install almost everything from xterm;
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
There are other file managers in the repositories.
File Manager is limited, so I currently use combination of Fennec for reading and xterm+vi for editing.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
If you don't know about them, how can you tell that they are what you want?
KDE and GNOME are too heavy; FVWM, LXDE, E17, Openbox or ICEWM could suit me. I don't know the differences amongst them; deep thanks for explanation.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
You might consider downloading a theme which does exactly this.
Having no shadows, no borders, no gradients in titlebars, statusbars, etc is fine.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Hildon already uses Matchbox.
Matchbox might be good; it's said to be minimal (very well!) window manager;
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Alhough I don't understand what your problem is with these, you can disable them.
but currently Hildon has shiny, gradient buttons, backgrounds, transitions, sparks, blurs, etc, and I don't want them.
transitions.ini + a minimalistic theme can do the job.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
Well then, disable the panoramic feature.
And I have no icons and no widgets on desktop.
Originally Posted by Wikiwide
This is fairly weird to me, but don't let me stop you!
Gestures support is also excessive. Tap, double tap and tap-hold are quite enough. Drag-and-drop seems to be unnecessary, too.
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What you will not find is a simple drop in .deb file. You want this, you're going to have to do a lot of the work on your own because 1990 is not calling out to any of us - nobody beyond an exceedingly small number of people want something so minimalistic.
If you don't want any gradients, patterns, or eyecandy, then just delete the transitions and uninstall all your themes, that way you'll be left with bog standard ugly GTK in all its light boring goodness.