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2011-05-06
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Yes, Intel released it when it got to the "pre-alpha" stage, but it wasn't open before that AFAIK. Relevant MeeGo Forum thread is here.
as far as I know tablet UI was closed at beginning..
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2011-05-06
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
I don't see what that has to do with my point. There may be code going from Harmattan into MeeGo, however that does not make Harmattan MeeGo.
Are you even bother too read the meego mailinglist? Nokia may be late releasing harmattan code (like qt components) to the meego core but infact they do!!!
The rest is not relevant to my comment.
My point was simple. Harmattan will be what is on the N950 when it is released, and while there may be a DE version of MeeGo for the N950, and a lot of code from Harmattan is going into MeeGo, Harmattan is not MeeGo. They should not have an exemption. Not becauseNokia is going WP7 or somehow they are evil, but because they participated in establishing a set of rules that define what MeeGo is, and will admittedly not meet them.
Of course, that's all my opinion. Don't go getting angry now.
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by wmarone
Don't often agree with you but i agree that as Nokia now seem to have firmly dropped MeeGo, the OS by the way not a device, then yes if LG carry on what Nokia failed then good luck to them and i would give it a best vote after all the work going on in the background on MeeGo.
The problem is that they are trying to release the device as a MeeGo device despite it not being MeeGo. They're still pushing for an exception from the Linux Foundation, which considering Nokia's actions and Elop's statements should be denied outright.
If LG is going to pick up just as Nokia drops a device and walks off the field, then LG should have the opportunity to release the first official MeeGo device.
It is however you look at it very clear way way back when MeeGo was a new project for Nokia that Microsoft stepped in with an offer Nokia could not refuse due to there somewhat failing company and the very reason Maemo and MeeGo got droped like a bomb as Microsoft have no interest in either hence why Nokia have gone the route they have.
I personaly hope it all comes back to haunt Nokia after they fail miserably with Microsoft and go down the pan altogether after the sneaky way they have treated everyone after selling the N900 and dropping us all in the shite, they deserve to lose but knowing Microsoft and it's history it will most probably sadly never happen.
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2011-05-07
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There is NO gurantee for a Handset Device. He only said they wont release a slate or tablet.
So, everything between MeeGo IVI and a Desktop Computer is Possible. Don't forget...
So, everything between MeeGo IVI and a Desktop Computer is Possible. Don't forget...
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by wmarone
youre saying harmattan is not meego well what do you base that on?
I don't see what that has to do with my point. There may be code going from Harmattan into MeeGo, however that does not make Harmattan MeeGo.
The rest is not relevant to my comment.
My point was simple. Harmattan will be what is on the N950 when it is released, and while there may be a DE version of MeeGo for the N950, and a lot of code from Harmattan is going into MeeGo, Harmattan is not MeeGo. They should not have an exemption. Not becauseNokia is going WP7 or somehow they are evil, but because they participated in establishing a set of rules that define what MeeGo is, and will admittedly not meet them.
Of course, that's all my opinion. Don't go getting angry now.
Binary blobs? I dont think soo cause this is allowed in Meego! not in the OSS repos ofcourse but on the phones/tablets by the manufactors.
DEB instead of RPM? well that was the case 2010 and maybe not true now cause we have not seen any official statement this is still the case maybe they are using rpm now?
so what of the rest of the rules they dont follow in Meego to be called Meego?
as far as i know there is not that much difference between harmattan and Meego they both is using same core linux libs. But if you can prove me wrong with facts I dont mind.
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by Helmuth
Nokia generally make phones though.
There is NO gurantee for a Handset Device. He only said they wont release a slate or tablet.
So, everything between MeeGo IVI and a Desktop Computer is Possible. Don't forget...
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by abill_uk
You, and many others, seems to be totally blind from the facts that Meego is depending on Qt(Quick). Most of the develelopers working with core Qt is STILL employed by Nokia.
Don't often agree with you but i agree that as Nokia now seem to have firmly dropped MeeGo, the OS by the way not a device, then yes if LG carry on what Nokia failed then good luck to them and i would give it a best vote after all the work going on in the background on MeeGo.
It is however you look at it very clear way way back when MeeGo was a new project for Nokia that Microsoft stepped in with an offer Nokia could not refuse due to there somewhat failing company and the very reason Maemo and MeeGo got droped like a bomb as Microsoft have no interest in either hence why Nokia have gone the route they have.
I personaly hope it all comes back to haunt Nokia after they fail miserably with Microsoft and go down the pan altogether after the sneaky way they have treated everyone after selling the N900 and dropping us all in the shite, they deserve to lose but knowing Microsoft and it's history it will most probably sadly never happen.
So as long as Nokia owns Qt we should not "hope they fail"
Without Qt(Quick) Meego will fail.
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
Harmattan is based on Maemo which is based on Debian. MeeGo is based on Fedora. Harmattan is also using Busybox and MeeGo is not.
youre saying harmattan is not meego well what do you base that on?
Binary blobs? I dont think soo cause this is allowed in Meego! not in the OSS repos ofcourse but on the phones/tablets by the manufactors.
DEB instead of RPM? well that was the case 2010 and maybe not true now cause we have not seen any official statement this is still the case maybe they are using rpm now?
so what of the rest of the rules they dont follow in Meego to be called Meego?
as far as i know there is not that much difference between harmattan and Meego they both is using same core linux libs. But if you can prove me wrong with facts I dont mind.
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But the WM7 "horse" has a blood lineage tracing back to donkeys such as WM6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5.1 that was fully neglected for too many years and Microsoft did sweet F all to maintain it (still running on Pocket IE4/6!!).
But the WM7 "horse" has a blood lineage tracing back to donkeys such as WM6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5.1 that was fully neglected for too many years and Microsoft did sweet F all to maintain it (still running on Pocket IE4/6!!).
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2011-05-07
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing
If you haven't noticed Elop is working full time trying to kill Qt. Symbian and Meego are already axed and Qt has already been half sold to Digia. Nokia will keep S40 but afaik Qt is not used there. It's easy to see that Qt is Ballmers worst nightmare so all this just makes sense. Put a puppet like Elop on the top of Nokia and kill Qt.
You, and many others, seems to be totally blind from the facts that Meego is depending on Qt(Quick). Most of the develelopers working with core Qt is STILL employed by Nokia.
So as long as Nokia owns Qt we should not "hope they fail"
Without Qt(Quick) Meego will fail.
Edit: And the reason they're making the N950 is just because they've been working on it for years. But I guess that Elop was very tempted to kill it too.
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But the WM7 "horse" has a blood lineage tracing back to donkeys such as WM6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5.1 that was fully neglected for too many years and Microsoft did sweet F all to maintain it (still running on Pocket IE4/6!!).
But the WM7 "horse" has a blood lineage tracing back to donkeys such as WM6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5.1 that was fully neglected for too many years and Microsoft did sweet F all to maintain it (still running on Pocket IE4/6!!).
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Nokia may have done many stupid decisions but dont blame them for everything related to Meego. stuff from Harmattan maybe will not come to Meego cause of Intel and the "linux foundation"
two examples that I reminds me is qt-components UI for handset and optimized trackerd.
And btw. if you think everything Meegorelated code from Intel has been developen from start as an open project youre wrong...
as far as I know tablet UI was closed at beginning..