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Fuzzillogic	2012-07-09 , 18:50
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Originally Posted by marmistrz

But look at webos: it's main language is html/css/js, but extended.

But still ugly. Stuff like

Code:

{kind: "Control", layoutKind: "HFlexLayout",
      style: "width: 500px; height: 100px;",
      pack: "center", align: "start", components: [
          {kind: "Button", caption: "Open", onclick: "openPopup"},
          {kind: "Button", caption: "Close", onclick: "closePopup"}
      ]
  }

is exactly what I don't want to see on a platform: magic strings and other stuff patched up using nothing more than sticky tape en velcro. Yuch. Make a typo and nothing will complain about it until it breaks later on, possibly even unnoticed during testing.

But you still can use Qt, C++ and so on.

But if there's no js framework, no qt, then the whole platform is a shame

I can hardly argue that Jolla's platform should not support other platforms, but I think it would be better to pick a primary platform. Qt / Qt Quick would be the logical choice.

Btw, QML is based on Javascript as well. But the actual language is extended, and (partially) strongly typed. It makes development more robust and easier, as the IDE can provide much more support and tooling. Try simple name refactoring of the function name "openPopup" in the above example... You'd need to do a text search&replace... Sorry, but even in 1998 we had better methods for that.

Ok I stop ranting now. But I hate it when those webtech-based frameworks and platforms get their very undue rave. It simply isn't good technology.

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switch-hitter	2012-07-09 , 18:55
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Not really... First line slide 7.however things could change

https://www.tizen.org/sites/default/...012_raster.pdf

Thanks for the link Dave999.

Slide 7 does say elev8 is on it's way and it's similar to Node.js - that works for me. I like the look of the code snippet on slide 25 too.

I'd say things are looking up - Tizen, Firefox OS and now Jolla. I hope at least one of them can get some real traction.

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switch-hitter	2012-07-09 , 19:07
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic

But still ugly. Stuff like

Code:

{kind: "Control", layoutKind: "HFlexLayout",
      style: "width: 500px; height: 100px;",
      pack: "center", align: "start", components: [
          {kind: "Button", caption: "Open", onclick: "openPopup"},
          {kind: "Button", caption: "Close", onclick: "closePopup"}
      ]
  }

I like the look of that

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	Bundyo	2012-07-09 , 19:22
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic

With the same HTML5-dreck. Sorry, I can't describe it nicer than that. HTML is for text documents. Whoever thought it would be "good enough for apps" should have his/her's voting rights revoked.

My voting rights are still intact while I work on a mobile HTML5 based native-like application framework. As you can guess, I do believe making app-le cider with it is possible, but not from every tree (Android's browser apples are rotten to the core, I won't comment on Harmattan's ones as it wasn't finished, but iOS and BlackBerry PlayBook 2.1 are more than capable).

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lma	2012-07-09 , 19:49
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Two interesting new Linux system with devices will be announced later this year

"Interesting" is in the eye of the beholder.

They are both vapourware at this point, but that's where the similarity ends. One of these is a "Linux" system that does little more than bootstrap a sandboxed web runtime and one isn't. One of these comes from the people who ruined the last mobile Linux and one doesn't. One of these has a future ;-)

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Fuzzillogic	2012-07-09 , 20:04
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Originally Posted by switch-hitter

I like the look of that

Then you will reach nirvana when you try QML :P Example:

Code:

Label {
  text:  myImage.status != Image.Error ? "Loading..." : "Error :("
  visible: myImage.status != Image.Ready
}

Image {
  id: myImage // See? No quotes! A new language construct!
  source: "http://example.com/image.png"
}

And now image the label is automatically updated according to the status of the image. There's absolute nothing more than this you need to do for that to work, thanks to the data binding. If you can do that on a normal JS-based framework let me know as I might be interested.

Originally Posted by Bundyo

My voting rights are still intact while I work on a mobile HTML5 based native-like application framework.

You try very hard to merely mimic the native platform, but you'll never going to achieve the same performance nor flexibility..

It would be great if there's a single, shared platform for mobile development, with open development and a community or non-profit in charge. HTML doesn't cut it for apps and/or is still very fragmented in Tizen/WebOS/FirefoxOS and the plethora of other frameworks like ExtJS/Qooxdoo/jQuery Mobile/Kendoui.

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	Dave999	2012-07-09 , 20:11
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Anyone reached Uncanny Valley yet?

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geneven	2012-07-09 , 20:11
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Originally Posted by Dave999

So why do you think people using polls? They are always speculation to see something. It's never facts.. It's up to anyone to read what they want of it. Let's say we have the same poll again in 4 month and tizen gets more than 50 percent, i say that would give an indication the wind has changed and Jolla have not keep this interest and momentum they have now.

Some polls are absurd. I expect to see a poll any day that says: Did the scientists find the Higgs Boson or some other kind of Boson? Like anyone knows. This poll is like that--the right answer is not to take the poll, or just "I don't know."

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	Dave999	2012-07-09 , 20:17
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Originally Posted by geneven

Some polls are absurd. I expect to see a poll any day that says: Did the scientists find the Higgs Boson or some other kind of Boson? Like anyone knows. This poll is like that--the right answer is not to take the poll, or just "I don't know."

True, but at the same time. If the poll would been used amoung scientist. It could still be interesting even if they can't say for sure since they only have some basic understanding. But they atleast have something. Most of us can't even comprehend the data/information so a poll among us would only be fun

A poll can be used to see if all the thousands of scientists concur with the calculations and evidence presented.

Plus a poll is always fun

its hard not to look at it even How absurd the questions are.

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switch-hitter	2012-07-09 , 20:26
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Originally Posted by Fuzzillogic

Then you will reach nirvana when you try QML :P Example:

Code:

Label {
  text:  myImage.status != Image.Error ? "Loading..." : "Error :("
  visible: myImage.status != Image.Ready
}

Image {
  id: myImage // See? No quotes! A new language construct!
  source: "http://example.com/image.png"
}

You're preaching to the converted