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2012-09-15
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I've never partaken that closely in community governance/admin matters, & in the last 6mth I've increasingly followed TMO less (too busy IRL).
But at the same time my interest & concern in community governance/admin matters has become more heightened.
But at the same time my interest & concern in community governance/admin matters has become more heightened.
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
To clarify, there are over 5,000 members who are not only "allowed" to vote, but each of whom we send an email inviting them to vote. Historically, less than 1,000 bother to take advantage of this privilege. The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.
Although IIRC it does take time for the above process to complete hence why I remember I wasn't allowed to vote in the Q2 council elections...I was too new...This time round though I think I may be allowed but ya there will be a huge number of users who won't be allowed to vote..
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by SD69
SD69, I didn't mean to say it has an exclusionary bias its just that during Q2, 2012 elections it was quite apparent that many of those members who joined only after Harmattan came out would have missed the chance to vote as their karma wasn't enough...
To clarify, there are over 5,000 members who are not only "allowed" to vote, but each of whom we send an email inviting them to vote. Historically, less than 1,000 bother to take advantage of this privilege. The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.
This time round I'm not too sure whether that stands as there have been a number of members who have joined only this year so its probable a number of them won't be eligible to vote due to their karma...
In fact, if you read my next posts you'll see I clearly mentioned that it was quite publicised during the previous election on how TMO account should be linked to one's maemo account...
Yes, I agree with you not many people actually end up voting and I'm happy to apologize if you felt that I was demeaning Council's efforts to get as many votes as possible...My point was simply to jalyst to inform him about the Karma linkage being possible and the system is such that there is a possibility that those who joined due to Harmattan don't be eligible to vote...
After all, you can't include everyone as there will always be people joining and you can't accomodate all...There have to be certain restrictions on voting and I'm quite happy with the current system as is instead of suggesting something that might rock the boat...
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
No problem . You didn't say there was a bias; I just wanted to clarify. The waiting period is only 3 months. IIRC, Harmattan came out more than three months ago. The current karma criteria to vote of 10 is relatively easy to reach.
SD69, I didn't mean to say it has an exclusionary bias its just that during Q2, 2012 elections it was quite apparent that many of those members who joined only after Harmattan came out would have missed the chance to vote as their karma wasn't enough...
This time round I'm not too sure whether that stands as there have been a number of members who have joined only this year so its probable a number of them won't be eligible to vote due to their karma...
Originally Posted by thedead1440
The bigger problem is the opposite, that karma points never expire and we still accommodate people who haven't participated for years.
After all, you can't include everyone as there will always be people joining and you can't accomodate all...There have to be certain restrictions on voting and I'm quite happy with the current system as is instead of suggesting something that might rock the boat...
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Ah only 10 karma points...I don't know why I was under the impression that 100 karma points was the minimum required hence I thought it was not that easy for someone to participate in the vote...
At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote!
At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote!
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
100 karma points is the criteria to be a community council member.
Ah only 10 karma points...I don't know why I was under the impression that 100 karma points was the minimum required hence I thought it was not that easy for someone to participate in the vote...
At only 10 karma points there shouldn't be any trouble for anyone to vote!
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by SD69
Certainly wasn't meaning to suggest anything offensive, I did clarify in subsequent posts that no doubt it was the best option that could be devised.
The voting process may not have been implemented perfectly in the past, but certainly it does not have an exclusionary bias.
Originally Posted by SD69
So if I try to link my maemo.org acct to TMO now I have to wait 3mths???
No problem . You didn't say there was a bias; I just wanted to clarify. The waiting period is only 3 months.
And what of this idea/thought
Originally Posted by jalyst
Cheers
I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.
(Assuming there's enough suitable runner-up candidates who can & want to step-up of course)
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.
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2012-09-16
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Originally Posted by jalyst
No. But there is a delay of a few days for the link to take effect.
So if I try to link my maemo.org acct to TMO now I have to wait 3mths???
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2012-09-17
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Originally Posted by jalyst
The election rules have been in place for quite a long time. These are not something we pulled out of a hat recently.
Why does it have to be based on your maemo.org account and karma points...
The Karma process is designed to track participation, not just in the forums but in other arenas as well. In fact, giving Karma for participation in the forums was more of an afterthought, since the other services and tools existed before Maemo.org had a forum. (TMO was actually pulled into the existing structure, and before that had been it's own forum, with a separate name.)
Originally Posted by jalyst
This is not true at all. The time frame is 3 months, which considering there are elections every 6 months, is about half the term. The requirements of 10 Karma to vote are actually quite low. (The 100 Karma requirement is to run for office, not to vote.)
Many users who've only come on board since Harmattan won't meet this requirement, even older members in some cases.
Seems a bit discriminatory.....
All of the requirements were designed to ensure that people running for positions, and those electing them, were valid and real people with at least a few months of knowledge and experience. Without this, anyone could simply create a bunch of fake accounts the day of the election and cast tons of ballots.
Originally Posted by jalyst
The wording, if you read it, was that we had hopped to have a stable version in place by the 17th, to allow those considering nomination a clear view of their expected role.
I'd hope you wouldn't close-off the by-laws for review on the 17th.
Also in the OP of this thread, it should be made clear exactly how many councilors & board members there will be, IIRC it was clarified in the by-laws thread.
As for the number of people being elected, that can vary. For Council, the number is either 5, or in a special case as few as 3. For the Board, the same process is being used for this cycle. Future cycles will be determined as set forth in the bylaws.
Originally Posted by jalyst
On this we disagree. While I would note that taking both roles would consume a large amount of personal time, I see no reason to bar one person from holding two seats. In fact, there could be some advantage in having at least one member who is dual-seated. The roles of the two bodies are quite different though, so finding a person who is qualified in both fields will not be as common.
I'd go a step further & suggest that people can nominate for both, but if they win in both categories then they have to pick one role, & whomever was runner-up takes the other.
Originally Posted by jalyst
Agreed. But at the same time the pool of potential candidates is also shrinking. Which would you prefer to see? One person taking two roles, or one taking a single role and having the second role go to someone less qualified, or that only a few people voted for, or perhaps even left empty? The reason the rules for the number being elected are structured they way they are is in part to prevent a defacto election to Council of all those on the ballot if there are only 4 or 5.
Most users offering to fill these roles are already very busy in their "real lives", they're going to struggle filling one of the roles effectively let alone both.
These election rules have served the community well for some time. This, in part, is why the Board is using/cloning these rules as best it can. It's a known working and validated system.
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It takes around a week for the karma to be updated...
Maemo.org doesn't seem to be loading fine for me ATM hence I can't post the screens or the exact locations for the linking...Will update once I can access it...
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