Originally Posted by mece

The scrolling is a non-issue for me, since I've tried it and it works just fine. I'm not as demanding as you I guess.

However, you seem to have some strange css issues in your browser. Both the t.m.o and engadget sites are messed up in the video and they both render properly on the device I've used.

This is what engadget and tmo are supposed to look like on the N900:



(thanks edgar2 for the images)

Originally Posted by NotTheMessiah

... So is a phone ever really truely polished? i think not.

Originally Posted by Megacrazy

Just to satisfy everyone, the phone has been flashed. The behavior is unchanged. It's just what it is.

It wasn't running any apps when the videos were made.

Anyway, I think I've accomplished what I set out to do with this thread and that was to demonstrate that Nokia has added another unpolished product to their collection. I hope they will learn from their mistakes and continue developing the N900 (which I love) and not jump to another product in 3 months that will be just as unpolished. Apple has shown that it is all about software and sticking with something that works and bringing it to an end.

On the other hand, you guys need to stop generating excuses for Nokia such as "it's version 4 of 5, great effort Maemo team, it will be better with updates etc etc...". Keep in mind that the people who developed this product were paid to work and you and I owe them nothing. On the contrary, they owe us 600$ worth of product that they (IMO) did not fully deliver.

I will be around and follow all the developments of cool apps for the N900 (even if the scrolling sucks) and enjoy the phone for some time to come. Do not kid yourselves though, this product falls short of the iPhone and the Droid (which also just came out) bigtime. It is unfair to average users to sweep problems under the carpet. Admitting a problem is the first step to solving it.

Originally Posted by daperl

I've recently implemented phase 1 of a double-tap zoom hack for the Diablo GTK webkit, so I spent some time staring at how the iPhone OS webkit implements zoom. It's simple. They just do an animated 2D transform while another thread is rerendering the page. They time the animation such that the final pixel copy happens soon after the animation finishes. If you have such a device, you'll notice that your screen is frozen to UI while this is happening. After the zoom is complete, you have to reregister your onFingerDown event. Nothing will happen until you do. A simple parlor trick, nothing more. Nokia could do this, but instead they decided to show you the continuous output of your appSSS. Plural. So, now all you eye candy weenies know.

I think we can say that Iphone now is very polished, but it & its firnware have gone through a process of several years to accomplish that state of polishness.

If we'd talk again in 6 months, you'd call Maemo 5 a very polished OS.

If you have a look back to firmware 1.5 of sonys PSP and have a look on 5.x now, you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by jjx

Well it shows the same scrolling / rendering issue, so at least we can confirm Megacrazy doesn't a have a "slow special" in that department

It's very interesting to see that the issue doesn't occur (or only very slightly) when zoomed out and showing a complex web page with tens of thousands of characters and plenty of images. It only occurs when you've zoomed in fully.

That tells me it is definitely a software issue with the rendering algorithm. If it was raw performance, it would be slower when zoomed out, due to increased scene complexity (whether hardware-assisted rendering or not). Since that's Gecko's area (the heart of Mozilla, Firefox, Fennec) I don't think we can blame Nokia for Gecko's behaviour - after all Gecko is an excellent browser engine choice in most respects - but we can annoy the folks at Mozilla with these videos until they improve it

I have no comment on the other issues.

Maybe my expectations are not high enough, but when I watch megacrazy's video of the N900's "jerky" scrolling it looks fine to me

Originally Posted by NotTheMessiah

well it seems to me that perhaps megacrazy has gone at this phone with the mind set of it should do anything everything as fast as my pc. which isnt realistic. The thing has a 600MHz chip in it, not a core 2 duo. Anyone who had a pc back a few years ago when 600MHz was "fast" will be able to tell you that there was an element of being patient while the computer finished having a think about a thing or two.

I'd say remember this is not a pc, laptop, or even a netbook and so if its being laggy when you have 10 things running at once. close some stuff!

Of course the software is always going to have some bugs, no such thing as 100% bug free software. People make software and people make mistakes. This is something we all have to accept.

I think saying the phone "sucks" is not really justified, perhaps unpolished but even then i cant remember the last phone i had that didnt have a little bit of glitchyness to it. So is a phone ever really truely polished? i think not.