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>> I can't get that on the N900. But it's open... which to a consumer means absolutely nothing.
Exactly. Nokia knows this now
Thats why they are dropping Maemo 5 like a hot potato and dropping all further investment in it.
N900 and M5 wont make money, end of story.
I really wished they would have release flash 10.1 before reaching this conclusion though. I care more about flash 10.1 then Meego at this point.
Exactly. Nokia knows this now
Thats why they are dropping Maemo 5 like a hot potato and dropping all further investment in it.
N900 and M5 wont make money, end of story.
I really wished they would have release flash 10.1 before reaching this conclusion though. I care more about flash 10.1 then Meego at this point.
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Originally Posted by Frappacino
What Nokia has learned is openess matters a lot to some consumers. And yes, it doesn't at all to most.
>> I can't get that on the N900. But it's open... which to a consumer means absolutely nothing.
Exactly. Nokia knows this now
But they also learned that openess matters a LOT to developers and other companies who may want to use MeeGo on their devices in the future. And developers and widespread adoption of MeeGo by other companies will determine if MeeGo succeeds, just like it did Android. Nokia has smartly realized they can't do this by themselves.
Thats why they are dropping Maemo 5 like a hot potato and dropping all further investment in it. N900 and M5 wont make money, end of story.
Nokia has gone all-in with MeeGo as their OS for future top-of-the-line devices. There wouldn't even be a MeeGo project if Maemo was a failure, much less the major investment Nokia is putting into MeeGo. Any fool can see that the N900 has sold well beyond expectations and given Nokia and Intel the confidence move forward with MeeGo. So Intel must be impressed with how well the N900 has done too.
I really wished they would have release flash 10.1 before reaching this conclusion though. I care more about flash 10.1 then Meego at this point.
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Originally Posted by Frappacino
FUDly FUD FUD
>> I can't get that on the N900. But it's open... which to a consumer means absolutely nothing.
Exactly. Nokia knows this now
Thats why they are dropping Maemo 5 like a hot potato and dropping all further investment in it.
N900 and M5 wont make money, end of story.
I really wished they would have release flash 10.1 before reaching this conclusion though. I care more about flash 10.1 then Meego at this point.
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage
How many in total would you reckon it does matter to? Just a guesstimate would do.
What Nokia has learned is openess matters a lot to some consumers. And yes, it doesn't at all to most.
But they also learned that openess matters a LOT to developers and other companies who may want to use MeeGo on their devices in the future.
And developers and widespread adoption of MeeGo by other companies will determine if MeeGo succeeds, just like it did Android. Nokia has smartly realized they can't do this by themselves.
Exactly the opposite is true. Apply some common sense.
Get your facts straight. Maemo 5 and the N900 is just being released in major markets like India. Why would they expand marketing the N900 if it was a failure, not making money and being dropped immediately?
Nokia has gone all-in with MeeGo as their OS for future top-of-the-line devices. There wouldn't even be a MeeGo project if Maemo was a failure, much less the major investment Nokia is putting into MeeGo. Any fool can see that the N900 has sold well beyond expectations and given Nokia and Intel the confidence move forward with MeeGo. So Intel must be impressed with how well the N900 has done too.
There you go cryin' about flash 10 again. And again - no one else has it either! Except for a very poor-running beta for Android, that is. Who cares? Flash sucks eggs anyway. I'll be glad when it goes away.
I'm sure some of them would like to receive continued support. Or... are you against that too?
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Originally Posted by gerbick
How many is irrelevant, the point is you can be open without compromising other features and it only helps you. Certainly, despite a large selection of hardware with mostly equivalent features I can't be the only one who jumped on the N900 because of its software stack.
How many in total would you reckon it does matter to? Just a guesstimate would do.
How well do you think it will get adopted and things actually get implemented/deployed by other companies though?
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Originally Posted by wmarone
I disagree. It's not irrelevant because I've been asking for sales numbers, accurate ones. No dice. So then you have to look at your audience. If it's too small, then it'll go the way of Openmoko; it will die.
How many is irrelevant, the point is you can be open without compromising other features and it only helps you. Certainly, despite a large selection of hardware with mostly equivalent features I can't be the only one who jumped on the N900 because of its software stack.
Not many companies keep niche products when they're not used to spending money as such. Nokia is no exception. They joined up with Intel to share that cost and get the exposure that means more sales.
It's not about who all jumped on the N900 for its software stack. It's about how many people did jump in total. I don't get the argument against wondering what those real numbers are and why the community is so against finding that out too.
Explain that to me, please. Makes no sense to not want to know the numbers of sold to date when it helps set the pace in which you should expect things. If it were a blockbuster, you're probably going to get more updates. If it were mediocre, then you might be pushed to the back burner. If it were a bust... you'll probably not expect a damn thing.
Depends on how hard Intel pushes it, I suspect.
Nokia's already a given. The biggest potential drag is Android, and the biggest benefit is MeeGo's proximity to the rest of the Kernel community.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Don't know, don't think it matters much. It matters to me.
How many in total would you reckon it does matter to? Just a guesstimate would do.
How well do you think it will get adopted and things actually get implemented/deployed by other companies though?
Lack of confirmed updates past getting Qt Mobility is somewhat lacking...and see what the support for the new markets will be like.
Please state actual numbers, not the vague ones, that support this. Links to Nokia stated facts only, please.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
This presupposes that any "open" device must also be niche. If your platform is open but has a good user experience, then you lose nothing.
I disagree. It's not irrelevant because I've been asking for sales numbers, accurate ones. No dice. So then you have to look at your audience. If it's too small, then it'll go the way of Openmoko; it will die.
It's not about who all jumped on the N900 for its software stack. It's about how many people did jump in total. I don't get the argument against wondering what those real numbers are and why the community is so against finding that out too.
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage
If Nokia can state that they've sold more than the Gartner report had stated, it does mean that the numbers are known inside of Nokia (nobody's ever disputed that though) but they could publish them if they wanted to.
Not available, you know that.
But they don't. Yet they've released the sale numbers for the N95 and N97. But not the N900. I'm sorry... I just find that odd as hell.
But simple reasoning says that: Expanding the market for the N900 + short supplies of N900s for months + 2 giant companies teaming up on MeeGo = something went very right with the N900/Maemo.
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There's less Linux enthusiasts - OpenMoko, N900, Qt Greenphone sales all show this - all did not amass the same numbers as the Nokia N95 for instance.
The whole "iPhone isn't as open" does not even enter the average consumer mind. They just want to buy the newest Justin Bieber song or have Grand Theft Auto or have an app that finds them the cheapest gasoline whilst traveling on their phone. Nokia has delivered some of that on their other, less open phones.
But have delivered much less on their open phones. Why is that? It's so open, it should have everything. This whole "it's more open" mentality means almost absolutely nothing to the average consumer.
It means a lot to the Linux pro crowd only. Case in point... I want an app like Air Sharing. It supports the ability to upload files when the computer and phone are on the same wifi network. What are my options? JoikuSpot? Now we're looking at a $2.99 (on special) versus $11.15 (on special) price.
Open indeed.
Or Grand Theft Auto. Sure... I could emulate the older PC version, you know... the one that came out in 1997 - it's 2010 last I checked - or perhaps get the gameboy ROM version... which came out in 1999 - it's still 2010.
I can't get that on the N900. But it's open... which to a consumer means absolutely nothing.
So what are the advantages of open source to the average consumer? Not much. And to me... (long-winded rant aside) is what Nokia needs to explain to the average user. Why would they embrace an open source phone when all they know is how well they've been "guarded" (read: herded) by the closed systems of iTunes Music Store or Android. How the open source offerings equate to true freedom and not how they've been somehow led down a path that ironically looks just like that dystopian, amorphous mindset where everybody that owns an iWhatever thinks, acts, dresses or accomplishes the same stuff within that walled garden.
Nokia... get it right with MeeGo. Communicate with the customers about the benefits... and do it in the areas that you don't presently have an advertising presence (read: North America and Japan) and be consistent.
You failed us with Maemo 4, doing a bad job with Maemo 5... get it right with MeeGo or watch even more share slip through your fingers. Guess you'll always have the low-end market though. But that's the way to become the AudioVox in the land of Harmon-Kardon.
Rant... over. Get it right with MeeGo, Nokia.