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2011-02-12 , 20:12
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Nokia have never told the truth about their intentions and why the N900 exsists, if it was meant to be a community project then all i can say is what a complete and utter balls up !!.

Someone is lieing here and the so called Meego proves it because it is no way fair that Nokia give us Maemo , ditch it then promise us Meego... ditch that too and leave everyone in the balance swearing and cursing.

How can this community function at all when lets face it, it cannot even get MMS right after more than a year has passed ! it is a balls up from start to now and we are no where near done yet !.

You lot are stir crazy if you think this Elop was brought in to kill Nokia, never read such rubbish in my life.

While we have been arguing swearing about the events leading us to date, hardware has moved on leaving the N900 a dated mobile that would have to have any OS in the future downgraded because of dated hardware.

Who are we kidding ? it is a complete ballsup from Nokia and now they must be so embarresed it is unreal.

I dont see this mess going anywhere but into an even bigger mess if thats possible than what we got right now.

Quim poor devil does not know where to look with pure embarresment and shock at his own companies actions !!, he promised us this and that and look how Nokia dealt with it all.
I got to say ... my heart goes out to that poor guy.

Oh well another fine mess you got us into.
 
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2011-02-12 , 20:49
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Originally Posted by mikecomputing View Post
cmon do you really think Elop is the only person who did decide they go WP7?
Let's ask this guy. I bet he knows the answer.

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2011-02-12 , 20:59
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Originally Posted by svdwal View Post
Open Source did not cut it as a development model for advanced mobile devices. Especially the bit were it delivered on schedule. Delivering on schedule is important in this business. Very important. Loosing-your-job-if-you-fail-type of important.
Are you suggesting that Open Source got the attention needed and workpeace? Are we talking about the same Open Source harm... eh I mean meego-harm... err nope, meego that is? (all that within an year)
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2011-02-12 , 21:16
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Nokia has only started to decline (marketshare%, putting out craps like n97, inefficiency in r&d: maemo since 2007 and still not done, losing touch with the higher end market, etc) ever since Elop joined?

Dude, you gotta recalibrate your perception.
on an other hand n8 was already pretty impressive as symbian device and it got announced the best support ever in nokia devices (which is not valid anymore)

you must understand that the reality struck to nokia probably in 2008-2009 and they reacted, N97, inefficiency in R&D etc was something that has been reacted against as soon as the reality struck and people decided measures to deal with the problems...

I'd understand your point if N8 and E7 would have been just like N97. Regaining market share after crappy products take time....
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2011-02-12 , 21:53
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Here is couple of places for letting Nokia know how you feel abou this deal:

Contact page for Nokia board of directors

http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/cor...tact-the-board

Nokia Conversations (several threads, LOTS of unhappy comments there, entertaining reading):

"Ask Steve and Stephen" (almost 900 comments, not the questions Nokia wanted though):
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...e-and-stephen/


See what "double Steve" were then "asked" (and the following commentary):
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...tions-readers/

and
"Five reasons to get excited about a Microsoft partnership":
http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...t-partnership/

What a PR nightmare!

Twitter @Nokia
http://twitter.com/#!/nokia

Elop
http://twitter.com/#!/selop
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2011-02-12 , 22:28
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Oh, there were so many other 'signs' that the n900 was not a 'finished' product. But it was never 'promoted' as beta or unfinished (as you've claimed they have).

....and that may have invited the wrong crowd to sample the n900 and it may have left a bad taste to too many unintended audience (not to mention some that came to vent and voiced their frustrations in this forum, etc).

Moreover, I had the impression that the 'step 5' that was envisioned a few years before was still not competitive enough with the competitors' offerings.

It's a moving target, Nokia wasn't fast enough.
Well, obviously they wouldn't go on promoting the N900 with the "in your face" attitude. The beta status was implied and I just gave two obvious signs even though there are more just like you said. If they did say it was a beta phone, I don't think there would be any stores selling them. Anyhow, the N900 did sell quite a lot with no marketing whatsoever. I do see more and more N900s around me by the day.

Step 5, we won't know it's status soon. And by what we have on offer with step 4, I would love to know what 5 is and I can bet it would have been awesome.
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2011-02-12 , 22:28
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Originally Posted by patlak View Post
UI has nothing to do with freezes and have you experienced this freezes yourself? There is a global search function, even on my 4 year old N73. You seem to be simply crap at coming to conclusion of what crap is.
That is exactly the attitude Elop saw at Nokia and went with MS. Blind fanboys that can see beyond their antique Symbian OS. My N8 is sitting in the glove compartment of my car. Elop did the right thing. Nokia had plenty of time prior to Elop to get it right.
 
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2011-02-12 , 22:40
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Nokia USA president a MS employee

Elop ex microsoft employee and 7th largest MS shareholder

Oh dear, nokia is already taken over, without MS having spent a cent.
 

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2011-02-12 , 22:49
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! View Post
That is exactly the attitude Elop saw at Nokia and went with MS. Blind fanboys that can see beyond their antique Symbian OS. My N8 is sitting in the glove compartment of my car. Elop did the right thing. Nokia had plenty of time prior to Elop to get it right.
Fanboyism??? From whom? You or me? Antique or not it's BETTER than WP7, end of story. A modern OS that can't multitask, is battery inefficient, no USB OTG, single format video player, no widgets, weak sales, etc. Oh yeah it is good to have WP7. Get your head out of your *** you brainwashed kid.

EDIT: WP7 doesn't work on non touch phones and Nokia has a huge demand for those. Nothing beats S60v3.
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2011-02-12 , 22:54
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Wipe your nose and move on.
 
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