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rcolistete is offline rcolistete
2012-06-29 , 13:22
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#291
Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Everyone's welcome to take part and earn a prize rcolistete, but we'll not be treating anyone as a special case.
The Maemo/MeeGo community is responsible to distributing half of the 100 Nokia devices (in "Community Awards" and "Code Competition").

Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian are large coding projects that :
- radically change how we can use Nokia N9/N950, i.e., without them, e.g, some Harmattan users would move to Android, iOS, etc, worlds;
- are cited in hundreds of sites, blogs, etc, everywhere during the last months, giving a huge visibility to Nokia N9 / Harmattan OS, showing other users how Android, iOS, Symbian, WP are limited;
- many thousands of users depend on them, including some other coding projects (mainly inception to overclocking, chroot, etc).

None of the three cited projects was awarded in "Community Awards", to much surprise of the community.

There is still time for the Maemo/MeeGo community give some award for the breakthrough work on Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian for Harmattan.
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#292
If PR1.3 is released during competition time, then at least Inception has has the possibility to enter as update category. And I don't see any problems for other projects as well, if they make it easy install/uninstall packages or instructions and have done some updates during competition time line (although you should only cast your vote based on the update part).
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#293
Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
We made that rule to make sure we can test the submitted software before starting the voting period.
Last year we had a script which could have caused harm to the users devices, that's why we want to test the submissions first.

We don't have every device or we wouldn't be able to hardware mod our devices or buy new ones just to test some exotic apps...
So for example I wouldn't count the N950 as default hardware, because you can't buy it. If there would be an app requiring the N950.
Or I wouldn't count Nemo as official version of Maemo or Harmattan. If there would be an app requiring Nemo...

So I think EasyDebian, Inception and NITDroid wouldn't be a problem.
Just my opinion, though.
As they are installed by thousand of Harmattan users, I think the installation procedure is not a problem.

Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
But what could be a substantial update?
I think the category "Updates and development on existing apps (2 N950, 1 N9)" is not large enough to include this 3 coding projects. I suggest to :
- enlarge the number of devices for this category;
- or create a special category ("System projects" ?) with 3 devices.


Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
EasyDebian: An easy installation maybe? With bundled inception
Yes, a simple .deb installation for at least one of the two cases : using open mode kernel, using inception. Ideally both, but qole is currently without a developer device.

Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
Inception: Working with PR 1.3?
Yes.

Originally Posted by zehjotkah View Post
NITDroid: Version 4.1 JellyBelly?
Currently NITDroid for N9 is alpha #3, so any further version (alpha #4 or beta #1) would be a new version.
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#294
Please read carefully my previous comment about NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for Harmattan on "Code Competition" :

"IMHO, the above authors/projects would be put in a special category (hors-concours) of "2012 Coding Competition" and receive their N9/N950 as soon as possible (in July) to boost their projects development, with the simple condition that they say they will continue developing their projects."

Remember that thousands of Nokia Lumia's were distributed to Nokia developers already registered in the last 12 months, many were authors of very, very simple softwares.

Now we have breakthrough coding projects without any award here from 100 available devices. It is totally non-sense and would make people outside Maemo/MeeGo laugh about us, desmotivate the cited authors, etc.
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#295
Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post
The Maemo/MeeGo community is responsible to distributing half of the 100 Nokia devices (in "Community Awards" and "Code Competition").

Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian are large coding projects that :
- radically change how we can use Nokia N9/N950, i.e., without them, e.g, some Harmattan users would move to Android, iOS, etc, worlds;
- are cited in hundreds of sites, blogs, etc, everywhere during the last months, giving a huge visibility to Nokia N9 / Harmattan OS, showing other users how Android, iOS, Symbian, WP are limited;
- many thousands of users depend on, including some other coding projects (mainly inception to overclocking, chroot, etc).

None of the three cited projects was awarded in "Community Awards", to much surprise of the community.

There is still time for the Maemo/MeeGo community give some award for the breakthrough work on Inception, NITDroid and EasyDebian for Harmattan.
Ok we understand you really like these three projects rcolistete And you're surprised they didn't receive a community award. Similary there are 1 or 2 people who applied that I would have bet my house on to win a community award but didn't get one either. So I understand a little of how you feel. But please understand that is not a matter of the coding competition to compensate people who missed out on community awards - that's between them and the council to sort out any misunderstandings or problems.

Here's what it boils down to and it's really simple. If they want to enter the coding competition they are welcome too as is everyone else. As you did with Calculus, they can do the same But they have to play fair along with everyone else, we won't be making special allowances for them.

To be fair they haven't asked any special allowance, you're asking on their behalf. However as of this moment we've had no contact from any of these developers about joining the coding competition. Maybe we can put this on the back burner for the time being until such a time would arise?

Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post
Please read carefully my previous comment about NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for Harmattan on "Code Competition" :

"IMHO, the above authors/projects would be put in a special category (hors-concours) of "2012 Coding Competition" and receive their N9/N950 as soon as possible (in July) to boost their projects development, with the simple condition that they say they will continue developing their projects."
It's not going to happen rcolistete. Either they come on board with the competition the same as everyone else, or they won't be in the competition.

Remember that thousands of Nokia Lumia's were distributed to Nokia developers already registered in the last 12 months, many were authors of very, very simple softwares.

Now we have breakthrough coding projects without any award here from 100 available devices. It is totally non-sense and would make people outside Maemo/MeeGo laugh about us, desmotivate the cited authors, etc.
If you have a problem with how devices were distributed please have that discussion with the facilitator of that device program.

If you have a problem with how the community may be seen please discuss that in the community section.

These are valid concerns and if you feel that then you're right to raise it. But they are better addressed elsewhere rcolistete. At the coding competition we are only concerned that we reward the people who participate in the fairest way we can and that we highlight all their good development in the best way we can.
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#296
Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Thing is, from what I can tell, none of the developers have shown any interest in the competition. So perhaps this is all talk for no reason.
They were participating in the "Community Awards", whose results were published some days ago.

This "Code Competition" has some details in its rules so the authors (eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole) can think their projects don't fit here.

The Maemo/MeeGo community can give them some invitation and motivate them to participate here.

IMHO, these 3 projects & authors deserve a special category where the devices would be sent as soon as they agree, without waiting until September 2012.
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#297
Originally Posted by Dave999 View Post
Is it possible to have one or two devices available for software most voted by the members? That would be fun!
We can do that, but all our devices apart from Felipe's donated N9 are already assigned as prizes to categories. Would you like to donate the devices?

Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post
They were participating in the "Community Awards", whose results were published some days ago.

This "Code Competition" has some details in its rules so the authors (eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole) can think their projects don't fit here.

The Maemo/MeeGo community can give them some invitation and motivate them to participate here.
I really don't see how we can be any more inviting, we're not too hard to talk with if there's any questions.. are we?

IMHO, these 3 projects & authors deserve a special category where the devices would be sent as soon as they agree, without waiting until September 2012.
But that's not a competition rcolistete!! It's not how the coding competition would ever work.

What you really want is a mini device program, within the coding competition, specially made for these 3 developers to 'win' 3 devices from our prize pool. I'm sorry, but we can't accomodate that for you

I'm also sorry to be so unhelpful because I know this cause means a lot to you. Might I suggest you try and source 3 devices from elsewhere? The original coding competition started off with no prizes other than £50 zehjotkah took a chance and asked and that's how we got all the great prizes from Nokia Try starting a thread, or starting a collection, or asking donations for your mini device program... if the community also agrees with you they will help you I might even donate myself
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#298
Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Ok we understand you really like these three projects rcolistete
It is not only me !
- NITDroid for N9 has thousand of users, is cited everywhere. The majority of NITDroid users are "simple" Android users, but some Harmattan developers use NITDroid to help test their Qt softwares ported from Maemo/MeeGo to Android, there are about one thousand Qt softwares available in Android Market / Google Play;
- Easy Debian/HarmChom for N9/N950 has created huge interest in the Harmattan community because it gives many powerful softwares not available on Harmattan : OpenOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric, TeX/TeXMaker, gedit, gFTP, Icedove (Thunderbird), wxMaxima, etc. They work with the Harmattan virtual keyboard, i.e., they are full operational on Nokia N9 (not only on N950). See my blog posts, which have more than one thousand hits in 3 months;
- Inception is used by many softwares/projects for Harmattan, including allowing OverClocking (which is very popular), chroot (Easy Debian, Harmattan SDK, etc), running .o softwares (compiled by gcc), etc. Thousands of users depend on Inception for the everyday use.

Resume : NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for N9 are not simple softwares, they are system softwares which enable many other softwares to run (thousands for NITDroid and Easy Debian) so they are indeed used in everyday life of thousand of Harmattan users. These coding projects are totally apart from other "Coding Competition" softwares with respect to usefulness, impact to the community, difficult to develop/test, etc.
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#299
Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post
Resume : NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for N9 are not simple softwares, they are system softwares which enable many other softwares to run (thousands for NITDroid and Easy Debian) so they are indeed used in everyday life of thousand of Harmattan users. These coding projects are totally apart from other "Coding Competition" softwares with respect to usefulness, impact to the community, difficult to develop/test, etc.
This and the fact that those people spend weeks/months/years
in their projects are the reasons why the should have been reward
in the Community Awards. But I don't see that the Coding Competition
is the right place for this. And of course, never change the rules
of the running competition.
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Originally Posted by rcolistete View Post
It is not only me !
- NITDroid for N9 has thousand of users, is cited everywhere. The majority of NITDroid users are "simple" Android users, but some Harmattan developers use NITDroid to help test their Qt softwares ported from Maemo/MeeGo to Android, there are about one thousand Qt softwares available in Android Market / Google Play;
- Easy Debian/HarmChom for N9/N950 has created huge interest in the Harmattan community because it gives many powerful softwares not available on Harmattan : OpenOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric, TeX/TeXMaker, gedit, gFTP, Icedove (Thunderbird), wxMaxima, etc. They work with the Harmattan virtual keyboard, i.e., they are full operational on Nokia N9 (not only on N950). See my blog posts, which have more than one thousand hits in 3 months;
- Inception is used by many softwares/projects for Harmattan, including allowing OverClocking (which is very popular), chroot (Easy Debian, Harmattan SDK, etc), running .o softwares (compiled by gcc), etc. Thousands of users depend on Inception for the everyday use.

Resume : NITDroid, Inception and Easy Debian for N9 are not simple softwares, they are system softwares which enable many other softwares to run (thousands for NITDroid and Easy Debian) so they are indeed used in everyday life of thousand of Harmattan users. These coding projects are totally apart from other "Coding Competition" softwares with respect to usefulness, impact to the community, difficult to develop/test, etc.
1. They are NOT going to change the rules of the CC.
2. If these programs have such merit, they are guaranteed a CC win.
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